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TheYanks04 wrote:Do yourself a favor and stay with standard 5x5 Roto. Holds? Come on. I just finished drafting a Holds league and you get into stunning debates over the value of Ray King, Steve Kline, Antonio Alfonseca and JC Romero among others. If that rocks your boat then by all means. Putting 4 MRs on my roster for no other reason but for Holds is something I find absolutely silly.
GotowarMissAgnes wrote:The value depends not only on the number of categories a player contributes to, but also on the variance in the contributions, so I'm not sure that adding holds reduces relative pitcher values. It would be interesting to look at auction values on that.
When it comes to making real baseball evaluations I have absolutely zero problem saying hitters are more valuable. But when it comes to the fantasy baseball game, I completely dislike the idea. To me it makes for a rather boring draft when there is little debate needed on whether the best hitter is worth more than the best pitcher. There still isn't a ton of debate in my mind with a 5X5 setup, but it is much closer than in a 6X6 with holds.Even so, I have no problem with having hitters valued more.
It doesn't change much how pitchers are valued amongst each other, although it could make the top MR more valuable than the top Closer. What I said was it changed the value between hitters and pitchers which it abolutely does.
GotowarMissAgnes wrote:But with respect to pitchers and hitters your statement, I think, was that it reduced pitcher values because pitchers were now only 4 category contributors. So, I'd like to see evidence not just that it changes pitcher/hitter values, but that it reduces pitcher values and does so because of the fact that almost no pitchers contribute to all 6 categories.
My point (and I have no hard evidence either) is that the valuation of a player depends both on the number of categories and the distribution of outcomes within that category. Assume a really silly example to see this---let every player with 100% certainty have the exact same result for all categories., including two categories where pitchers make no contribution. Every player will have the exact same value because they all contribute equally to the outcome.
Tavish wrote:Players will not contribute equally to the outcome. Hitters have the chance to contribute equally to the hitting categories that apply to them and pitchers have chance to contribute equally to the pitching categories that apply to them. What I have said twice now is that there is an increased difference between hitters and pitchers, not between hitters and hitters or pitchers and pitchers.
For an example suppose you split BA into SLG and OBA and add holds to give you a 6X6 league. The top hitters such as Bonds, Pujols, Helton, etc. now will help your team win in one additional category and increase your overall point total. By adding holds how much more value does Santana or Gagne gain?
Its not the addition of a category that changes the dynamics, its the addition of a specialization category for pitchers and a category that applies to all hitters.
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