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Postby Phillies Phan » Sat Jan 22, 2005 7:33 pm

High Plains

if you can try to make an email list of all the owners on this thread that replied with interest and drop me an email also i will email you back the people that emailed me and we can make a list and see who is a definite and go from there
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Postby Phillies Phan » Sat Jan 22, 2005 7:36 pm

High Plains

I emailed you 2 more guys that emailed me
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Postby whozthis » Sat Jan 22, 2005 11:19 pm

am i interested as well -
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Postby lostraven » Sun Jan 23, 2005 1:41 pm

I've definitely been looking for such a league.
If you have room, I'd be more than pleased
and capable of maintaining.

l o s t r a v e n @ e a r t h l i n k . n e t

Thanks for your consideration!

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Postby sagecoll » Sun Jan 23, 2005 2:32 pm

i was one of the first people to show interest on the league i just wanted to make sure i was accounted for on the list my email is
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Postby Phillies Phan » Sun Jan 23, 2005 3:57 pm

Okay guys
Here is a sample set of rules
Very rough copy
We can discuss and modify
I took this from a league i am in


Fantasy NL Cafe League



The league will be officially known as the Fantasy NL Cafe League (also referred to as the FNCL). The league will roughly follow
the official Rotisserie League Baseball rules as devised by Glen
Waggoner and Robert Sklar, inventors of rotisserie


To assemble a roster of 35 NL-affiliated players* (23 starters) whose cumulative statistics during the regular season, complied and measured by the methods described in these rules, exceed those of all other teams in the League.

*NL-affiliated players include minor league players affiliated with NL


You may draft a minor league player in college or high school, not yet
affiliated with a major league club. Once a club signs him, if it is
not an NL club, you must drop the player immediately.

A player on your 35-man roster may be traded to the AL (or
AL-affiliated farm team). If this occurs during the off-season, the
player is immediately dropped. If it occurs DURING the season, you have
the option to hold onto his rights for the remainder of the season, and
would subsequently retain him if he were to come back to an NL club.
(Note: Retaining a player’s rights waives your right to drop the player
and receive compensation back to your FAAB budget. If you want the
player’s salary reimbursed in FAAB, he must be dropped immediately).
NO stats may accumulate during this period, and this player CANNOT be
activated to your 23-man starting roster. Once the season is over, this
clause is null and void and the player must be dropped if still not
affiliated with an NL club. This variation of this rule has been in
practice since this league’s inception.


There are 12 teams.


A team's active roster will consist of National League-affiliated
Players only. 35 total - 23 active, 7 reserves, 5 minor leaguers.

Active roster:

1 catcher

1 first baseman

1 second baseman

1 third baseman

1 shortstop

1 corner man (either 1B or 3B)

1 middle infielder (either 2B or SS)

5 outfielders

2 utility players (who play any non-pitching positions)

9 pitchers

A team’s reserve roster will consist of 7 players of any position


There are 2 phases:

A Major League Player auction is conducted the first weekend after
Opening Day of the baseball season (or another date that a majority of
the league agrees upon). Each team must acquire 23 active players and
not exceed $260. A team does not need to spend the maximum. Each owner
takes a turn in nominating any eligible player to be bid upon starting
(at least) with a minimum of a $1 bid. Each subsequent bid on that
player must be at least a dollar increment more (no bids of cents).
There is no rescinding of a bid - once an owner makes a bid it stands.
The process is repeated, with successive team owners introducing
players to be bid on, until every team has a squad of 23 players, by
requisite position.

- Allow plenty of time for the auction, it will take several hours.

- Players eligible at more than one position may be shifted during the
course of the


- No team may make a bid for a player it cannot afford. For example, a
team with $3 left and two openings on its roster is limited to a
maximum bid of $2 for one player

- No team may bid for a player who qualifies at a position that the
team already has filled. For example, a team that has already acquired
2 catchers and whose 2 utility spots have already been used may not
enter the bidding for any player who only

qualifies at catcher

- Players who commence the season on a major league team's disabled
list are eligible to be drafted into one of your 23 active spots. If
drafted, they may be reserved and replaced upon completion of the draft
(see Article XII)

A Reserve Player draft is conducted immediately following the major
league auction, in which each Rotisseries League team may acquire
players who are on a National League team's active roster or are disabled

The order of the reserve draft is determined by previous year’s

#1 - 5th place team

#2 - 6th place team

#3 - 7th

#4 - 8th

#5 - 9th

#6 - 10th

#7 - 11th

#8 - 12th

#9 - 4th

#10 - 3rd

#11 - 2nd

#12 - 1st

In the first season it will be randomly assigned.
The order in each round does not change.

The Minor league draft will be conducted in a similar manor
A player must be on a minor league roster and fit the major league criteria of a rookie defined as the following:
NOTE: The major league rule reads: "A player shall be considered a
rookie unless

during a previous season or seasons he has (a) exceeded 130 at-bats or
50 innings

pitched in the major leagues; or (b) accumulated more than 45 days on
the active

roster of a major league club or clubs during a period of a 25-player
limit (excluding

time in military service)

All minor leaguers and reserved players are given a salary of $5

- See Article XIII for rules governing farms systems


A player may be assigned to any position at which he appeared in 5 or
more games in the preceding season. If a player did not appear in 5
games at a single position, he may be drafted only at the position at
which he appeared most frequently. The 5 games/most games measure is
used only to determine the position(s) at which a player may be
drafted. Once the season is under way (but after Auction Draft Day) a
player becomes eligible for any position at which he has appeared at
least 2 times. If he is a rookie and has not played 2 games it is
whatever position he has played at. Players selected for the utility
spot may qualify at any position (other than pitcher)


To be determined by league for the first.
It will need to be paid prior to the auction.


The salary of a player is determined by the time and means of his
acquisition and does not change unless the player becomes a free agent
or is signed to a long-term contract (See Article XVII.)

- The salary of a player acquired in the major league draft is his
auction price

- The salary of a player called up from the free agent pool during the
season is whatever the winning bid for that player is (minimum $1).

- The salary of a player activated from the team's farm system during
the season is whatever the current salary of that player is $5.

- The salary of a player claimed on waivers is his pre-waiver price.

NOTE: The $260 salary limit pertains to Auction Draft Day only. After
that, free agent signings and acquisition of high priced players in
trades may well drive up a team's payroll (capped at 320 for active players).


1st place - 50%

2nd place - 25%

3rd place - 15%

4th place - 10%

This ratio 50:25:15:10 will be retained in future years, regardless of
the actual point pool.


The following criteria are used to determined team performance:

Composite Batting Average

Total Home Runs

Total Runs scored

Total Runs Batted In

Total Stolen Bases

Total Wins

Composite Earned Run Average

Composite Ratio (Walks plus Hits, divided by Innings Pitched)

Total Saves

Total Strikeouts

Teams are ranked from first to last in each of the ten categories and
given points for each place. For example, in a 12-team league, the
first place team in a category receives 12 points, the second place
team 11, and so on down to 1 point for last place. The team with the
most total points wins the pennant.

The Fenokee IP Requirement - A team must pitch a total of 900 innings
to receive points in ERA and Ratio. A team that does not receives zero
points in each category.

The Fenokee AB Requirement - A team must have 4250 at-bats to receive
points in Batting Average. If not, that team receives 0 points in the
Batting Average Category.

Pitchers' offensive stats are not counted nor are position players'
pitching stats.

In cases of ties in an individual category, the tied teams are assigned
points by totaling points for the rankings at issue and dividing the
total by the number of teams tied.

In cases of ties in total points, final places in the standings are
determined by comparing placement of teams in individual categories.
Respective performance is calculated and a point given to each team for
bettering the other. Should one team total more points than the other,
that team is declared the winner. Should total points still be equal,
the tie is broken by adding each team's total at-bats at season's end
plus triple the number of innings pitched. The team with the higher
total wins.


We will use TQ Stats as our website.

Transactions recorded on Auction Draft Day, including trades and
call-ups to replace disabled players, are effective retroactive to
Opening Day.

Performance of a player shall be assigned to a Rotisserie League team
only when he is active on the 23 man roster. Players on the DL or in
the minor leagues that are on your active roster will not accumulate


From the completion of the auction until August 15 (9:00pm), Rotisserie
teams are free to make trades of any kind without limit provided they
(a) do not exceed the in-season salary cap and (b) the active roster on
both teams involved in a trade reflect the required position
distribution upon the completion of the transaction. An odd number of
players may be traded between two teams, but if any team exceeds 35
players the players to be dropped MUST be stipulated in the trade
announcement. To make things easier, even-number trades are

No trades are permitted after August 15th until our Off-Season Trading
officially begins again. This date will be announced during the
off-season by the commissioners.

Trades do not affect the salaries or contract status of players.

Trades cannot involve cash, players to be named later, draft picks or "future considerations"

Trades can be vetoed by a majority of the teams not involved in the trade.
Remember to use this very cautiously as we do not always know how
everyone values certain players and how a team can be rebuilding for
next year. To initiate the veto, contact one of the commissioners.


A team may replace any player on its 23-man active roster at any time,
effective at the start of the next transaction period. Monday noon is
the deadline for the transaction period starting that day. Players on
the DL and players in the minor leagues can be placed on your active
roster to fill position requirements, if necessary. If a player with
MIN status is activated to your starting 23, he automatically loses his
MIN status and becomes a 1st year player. The exception to this is he is called up after Sept 1st.

Once a minor leaguer is called up an active or reserve player must be wivered to make room for him.

To replace a player, a Rotisserie League Team enters the move through
the TQ Stats webpage (the league homepage).

Releasing Signed Players After a Winning Bid:

A player that has been given a contract extension, or has been signed
to a guaranteed contract may not be waived for any reason unless he has
been waived from a major league roster or traded to the American League
- NOT IF HE IS ON THE DL. The penalty for waiving a guaranteed player
is 50% of his remaining salary (rounded down, and pro-rated over the
length of the contract) towards each seasons' draft salary cap that he
was signed for.

An example : Mike Mussina comes over from the AL and Team F really wants him for the rest of the season - Team F signs him for $34 and
really stinks for the remainder of the season - so team F chooses to
waive him. Team F would only have 263 (280 - (1/2 * 34)) dollars to bid
on his players in the draft. This discourages crazy bidding.

A player released while in his OPTION year or last year of contract RETAINS that status for the
remainder of the year. Example - Big Mac is Optioned out at 40 bucks.
He is waived. Nobody wants him for 40 so he is passed over while on the
waiver wire. Then, as a free agent, he is bid on for 15 bucks and won.
YES, you get him for 15 bucks....but not as a 1st year player. He is
still OPTIONED. So, after that year...back in the draft he goes. This
rule applies to players on the last year of their contract as well. No
matter what else happens, that player is to enter the draft following
that season.

ARTICLE XIII. MIN status players

A team has a 5 man minor league roster consisting only of players on a NL minor league club or in college (although if a college player is drafted by a major league club they lose his rights)

If a player opens the new season on an active MLB roster, but otherwise
has a MINORS status on a PPBL team, he must be counted as one of the 15
keepers (if kept at all) and his $5 salary will count against your
$260 draft cap.


Active Major league players not on any Rotisserie League team's roster
at the conclusion of the auction and reserve draft become free agents.
During the course of the season the pool of free agent may also include
waived players who are not claimed and players traded from the AL.

Starting the 1st monday following the draft teams may bid on free
agents at will (as long as the team does not exceed its Free Agent
Acquisition Budget (FAAB)).

The FAAB will be $100.00.

If a team loses a player to the American League, Retirement, etc.
- the team can add the amount of the traded players' salary to his
FAAB if the team decides to cut the player within the current
transaction week. If the team decides to retain the player’s rights for
any period of time longer than the end of the transaction week when the
loss occurred, the salary does NOT get added back to the FAAB if the
player is subsequently dropped at a later time.

At or before the weekly transaction deadline a team may submit a sealed
bid on one or more free agents. This is done through EMAIL, and the bid
is emails to the commissioners. The minimum bid shall be $1.

Bids are due to both commissioners by email on Sunday, 9PM. The
commissioners will make the bids public Monday Morning (time
permitting) when the newly acquired player is then activated. Title all
emails for this "BIDS" so the commissioners will know not to open them
until after 9pm Sunday. Once a bid is made on a specific player, it
cannot be altered, retracted or rescinded. Your first bid is the one
that counts. So, be careful!

A free agent goes to the highest bidder. If more than one team bids the
same amount on a free agent, the player goes to team that is lowest in
the most recent week's standings (i.e., the standings on that current
Sunday ending the transaction period for FAAB bids).

The salary of the free agent is the price of the winning bid. Any free
agent signed for MORE than $20 (i.e., 21 dollars +) is automatically
signed to a guaranteed 2-year contract (the current season PLUS ONE) at
that salary. Releasing a player signed for more than $20 is pursuant to
the rules in section X.

For each free agent signed, a team must waive a player from its active
or reserved roster (unless they have open spots on their 35-man
roster). The name of this player MUST accompany the bid for the free
agent. There may be NO contingency bids for free agents. (example - I
bid $26 for Mike Schmidt and waive Juan Samuel. If I don't get Schmidt,
bid $21 for Manny Trillo and waive Samuel. If I don't get him, bid $15
for Keith Moreland and waive Samuel, etc....). If you do this all bids
are considered NULL and VOID. You may, however, include subsequent
activation/reserve instructions for the newly acquired free agent
should you win him and cannot make the Monday noon deadline for roster
transactions. Example: Bid $18 for Gorman Thomas, waive Fred Lynn (who
is on my reserve roster). Activate Gorman Thomas and reserve Bill
Buckner, who is currently on my active roster. In other words, explain
to us exactly what you want to do. BUT, as stated above, do not make
more than one transaction for any one player. In other words, if you
submitted the move above, no OTHER contingent moves may be made with
Bill Buckner.

You may also not bid more than you have (e.g., You have $20 dollars
left, you can not make 3 bids of $8 each expecting only to get 2). If
you do this all bids are considered NULL and VOID.

Use your FAAB budget wisely!!


Under certain conditions, a Rotisserie League player may be waived.

When a team makes a winning bid on a free agent and that player is
added to the team, a player must be waived so as to not exceed the
35-man active/reserve roster limit (unless the bid upon player is
filling a vacant spot on the 35-man roster).

A player placed on waivers is no longer eligible to be claimed if he is
traded to the AL, on the DL or in the minors.

On the Monday following each week's transactions (time permitting), a
waiver wire list is compiled by the commissioner. Any player on the
wavier wire may be claimed at his current salary and contract status,
and added to a team's roster. At the time of claiming a waived player,
a subsequent move must be must be made to waive a player currently on
the roster (unless there is a vacant opening on the 35-man roster). A
team may only claim one player from the waiver wire in a week. As with
free agent bids, any claim of a player that you make will STAND. It
cannot be rescinded. If more than one team claims a certain player from
waivers, the player will be awarded to the team lowest in current
Sunday standings. The deadline for waiver claims is the same as for
FAAB bids, Sunday 9PM.

If a player passes through waivers without being claimed, he is
returned to the free agent pool. Teams may not bid on players currently
on the waiver wire.

A player who is not in the last year of his guaranteed contract and put
on waivers will take the penalty that will be discussed about releasing
a player with this type of contract. The player, however, may be
released and replaced without penalty if he is traded to the AL,
retires, or is outright released from his major league team.



A player who has been under contract at the same salary during two
consecutive seasons and whose service has been uninterrupted (that is,
he has not been waived or released, although he may have been traded)
must, prior to the freezing of rosters in his third season, be
released; signed at the same salary for his option year; or signed to a
guaranteed long-term contract. If released, the player returns to the
free agent pool and becomes available to the highest bidder at the next
auction draft. If signed to the same salary for an option year, the
player must be released back into the free agent pool at the end of
that season. If signed to a guaranteed long-term contract, the player's
salary in each year covered by the new contract (which commences with
the option year) shall be the sum of his current salary plus $5 for
each additional year beyond the option year.

For example, let's say that Rico Brogna gets drafted for $15 in 1999.
Before the 2001 season he can either be released, kept only for that
season at $15, or signed. Suppose you want to sign him to a 2-year
deal. His salary would be $20 for 2001 and 2002 and he would be a free
agent in the 2003 auction. Let's say you want to sign him to a 3-year
deal. His salary would be $25 for 2001, 2002 and 2003 and a free agent
in the

2004 auction.

In determining a player's status, "season" is understood to be a full
season or fraction thereof. Thus, a player called up from the free
agent pool in the middle of the 1999 season and subsequently retained
at the same salary without being released in 2000 (even though he may
have been traded) enters his option year in 2001 and must be released,
optioned or signed to a long term contract.

A team may only sign a player to one long-term contract; at the end of
which he becomes a free agent.

Option years and long-term contracts are entirely transferable, both in
rights and obligations; the trade of a player in no way affects his
contract status. Keep this in mind when you trade for a player who is
already signed or has a guaranteed contract.

If, during the course of a long-term contract, a player is traded from
the NL to AL, is released outright from his MLB team, or retires, the
contract is rendered null and void if he is dropped at a time when his
status is still that of retired, not on a team or in the AL. The team
that loses the player's services shall be under no further financial

In all other cases - specifically including a sudden loss of
effectiveness-a team must honor the terms of a long term contract, as
follows: A player with such a contract may be released back into the
free agent pool (that is, not protected on a team's roster prior to
Auction Draft Day) but the team that chooses to do so loses half
(rounded down) of that player's salary off of the $280 cap for each
remaining season that had left on their contract. For example, Rico
Brogna was drafted at $24 in 1999, in 2001 you decide to sign him to a
3 year $34 per year deal. Prior to the auction in 2002 you realize that
Brogna's role will be reduced to a pinch hitter and he will be bagging
groceries at WaWa during his free time. You decide that you want to
release him. You will lose $17 off of your cap for the 2002 and 2003
season (you will only have a cap of $263 both years then).

So be very careful in signing free agents and bidding more than $20
with your FAAB



Each team may retain no more than 15 major leaguers and 5 minor leaguers on its 35-man

The names of players being retained must be recorded with the
commissioner two weeks prior to opening day and will be made public
(date subject to change pending the circumstances at that time). At
this time any guaranteed long-term contract signings and farm system
renewals must be determined.

The cumulative salaries of players protected prior to Auction Draft Day
are deducted from a team's $260 expenditure limit, and the balance is
available for acquisition of the remaining players needed to complete
the team's active 23 man roster.

Failure to give notice of a guaranteed long-term contract for a player
in his option year will result in his being continued for one season at
his prior year's salary and then released into the free agent pool.
Failure to renew a farm system player's minor league contract will
result in his becoming available to all other teams in the free agent
pool, or subsequent minor league/reserve draft.

A farm system player whose minor league contract is renewed 2 weeks
prior to Auction Draft Day and who subsequently makes the major league
team's active roster may be added to the protected list of players on
Auction Draft Day (and another player dropped, if necessary, to meet
the 15 player limit) or he may be dropped and made available in the
auction draft. He may not be retained in his Rotisserie League team's
farm system.

Within the two weeks of the frozen roster, if a player you protected
gets traded to the AL he is released and you get his salary back. If he
goes on the D.L. or sent to the minors (and he is not in a long term or
guaranteed contract) you have the option to drop him from your
protected roster (if you do this you do not get to replace him with
someone else, however).

All active major leaguers you protect count towards your active 23-man roster. This
is always the case, UNLESS the player has official MIN status, in which
case the player may be retained in the team’s reserves. For example, a
team has Rick Ankiel signed to a two-year contract and wishes to retain
him. Even if, at the start of the season he is still in the minors, he
still counts as part of the 25-man active roster. The team may not put
him into the reserves and draft another pitcher in his place during the
main auction. What the team would do is fill their 25-man active roster
during the main auction, and then continue adding players to his
reserve 10-man roster during the reserve draft. Immediately following
the conclusion of the reserve draft, the team may reserve Ankiel and
activate a reserved pitcher into his spot, retroactive to the start of
the season.


The executive committee will be made of 3 parties. They have the authority to interpret playing rules and handle all necessary and routine PPBL business. All decisions, rulings
and interpretations by the Executive Committee are subject to a veto by
the remaining nine teams (by 2/3's the vote, where an abstained vote
does not count towards the 2/3's). Rule changes, pronouncements, and
acts of whimsy are determined by majority vote of the League.

Trading vetoes discussed in ARTICLE XI.


In the interest of fostering more intense competition in our league
during the waning months of August and September, there will be of an
in-season salary cap. This would prevent the "roster excesses" from
getting out of hand, while still not being too restrictive in stopping
teams from "building for the future."


The in-season salary cap for 2005 will be $320.

This Cap ONLY pertains to adding players by TRADING for them, claiming
them off waivers, or by SIGNING them as free agents (via winning bids).
This is a hard cap - no transaction, including activating a player from
your reserve list into your active 25-man roster, may put your cap over
320. Example - your cap is at 337 and you need to reserve your $4 Dave
Hollandsworth because he just got hurt. You could not activate any
player from your reserve list over $7 into Dave’s spot cause the move
would cause your team’s cap to exceed 320.

Should MLB see another strike season, it will affect contracts. If
there is any sliver of a season, even just one game played when the
league goes on strike, it will count as a season for your player. For
example - you have Cliff Floyd signed for one more year. The league
plays three games, then goes on strike and doesn't play another game
that year. Cliff Floyd is now out of contract. A few things to

1) This affects everyone equally

2) This takes away the question "Where do you draw the line"

3) It's very unlikely that the league would play such a short season,
then strike.

***Disclaimer: The above-stated rules are intended to ensure this
league runs in a standard fashion. The intent of this league is to have
fun and enjoy the hobby of Rotisserie Baseball. All complaints should
be addressed to the commissioners. Publicly humiliating, slandering, or
accusing another owner of wrongdoing will not be tolerated. There are
rules in place to handle suspicions of wrongdoing or beliefs that the
integrity of the league is at stake. Failure to comply is cause for
removal. If removed from the league for cause, any refund of entry fee
is decided upon by the remainder of the league members. Payment of
entry fee (and inclusion into this league) is indication of acceptance
of these terms and all described within this document.
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Postby lostraven » Sun Jan 23, 2005 6:41 pm

Phillies Phan wrote:If a player with MIN status is activated to
your starting 23, he automatically loses his MIN status and becomes
a 1st year player. The exception to this is he is called up after Sept

This may seem naive but I'm assuming this means that the stats
accumulated from the minor leaguer will thusly count as if in the
Majors for his first year? I'm assuming no major league equivalancy
(MLE) is conducted on the stats? I apologize if that seems to be
a stupid question.

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Any more Room??

Postby dandy15 » Sun Jan 23, 2005 10:57 pm

If there is any more room I am interested. I have been playing for 11 years and won my NL keeper league last year.
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