wrveres wrote:Bloody Nipples wrote:wrveres wrote:Correct me if I am wrong ... ( I am sure you will) ..
Jason Giambi drafted By Oakland in the summer of 1992
Miguel Tejada drafted by Oakland in the summer of 1994
Eric Chavez drafted by Oakland in the summer of 1997
Tim Hudson drafted by Oakland in the summer of 1997
William Beane becomes GM on October 17, 1997.
In 1998 he drafted .. 1st round (2nd pick) Mark Mulder
In 1999 he drafted .. 1st round (9th pick) Barry Zito
so what exactly has Beane done again? I am confused ...
I mean we all know he has never "WON" anything except a couple of AL West Pennants. He has never won a playoff series. At least La Russa took the A's to the World Series a few times.
So what exactly has Beane done? I mean after 7 years shouldn't we now be seeing the "Fruit" from his so called "Genius drafts"? Hell the only thing Beane has actually provided us with is Barry Zito, and I am pretty sure that nobody needed a speadsheet to show that Barry Zito was going to be good.
Some interesting notes, wrveres. But I still think you are missing the WHY of this stuff. Do you agree that if the A's had been able to resign any of the guys they produce they would much better right now? I hope so.
Here is Beane's (and the A's) dilemma: ownership gives him only about $60K per year to work with. Therefore, he cant resign the guys he finds like Mulder who would ask for big contracts in free agency. So, he trades them for prospects or lets them go to free agency in exchange for draft picks. The result is an enormous turnover in the A's system. New players are constantly being thrown into the lineup year after year. The only veterans on Beane's teams are no-name guys who he gets on the cheap like Matt Stairs.
To me its a miracle that the A's win as much as they do. It is my opinion that, given a more flexible budget, allowing Beane to take part in such gm activities as big-name-free-agent-signing, blockbuster-trading, etc, that he would win a WS within a few years and sustain that excellence for a while. He would find not only the talent for the best VALUE, but the best talent OVERALL.
I understand all that, I really do ...
Everybody talks about the Bill James system of prospects that Beane practices, but after 7 years, what has Beane given us? ..
I am kinda in your boat here. I admit that Beane is a very good GM but I don't understand how he can be treated as a God by so many when he has never won a playoff series let alone a World Series. So much is made of his methods but all that they have proven is that he can field a productive team that fails miserably in the playoffs. And before anyone brings up what he could do with more $$, let me remind you of Glen Sather. When he was solely the GM of the Edmonton Oilers, he used to field a decent team that would get bounced out of the playoffs in the first round. He would also laugh at the Rangers and say how he could win tons of championships with their payroll. Well, he's there now and would have been fired if not for him being in Dolan's pockets. He hasn't even made the playoffs in years (at least 5) and many of us know how easy it is to make the playoffs in the NHL.