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lesgrant wrote: But the thing is, yanksareback’s fundamental issues are valid
Pacman wrote:lesgrant wrote: But the thing is, yanksareback’s fundamental issues are valid
Is one of those fundamental issues "The curse of the Bambino has been broken but I can definately see the curse of Manny Ramirez waging on Red Sox nation for another 80 years." ?
lesgrant, you are very reasonable, this other guy is not. Here are the last things I'll say on this issue in this thread (as readers rejoice)
It's December 16th. There are still three-and-a-half months until Opening Day. Obviously, dude, there are going to be more additions and subtractions between now and then. When major leaguers hit free agency, they OFTEN move on -- because at the new much-higher rate, their value to the team they HAD been playing for CHANGES. Derek Lowe, under his just-completed contract, was a GOOD option for the Red Sox. At the rate his agent is currently demanding on the open market, he is simply NOT a good option.
They're going slow with Varitek because while they ABSOLUTELY want to sign him, they don't want to bid against themselves. And to this point, no team has emerged that has made a better offer to Tek that the Sox already have (4 yrs $40 mil, I think). However Tek has thus far not accepted that offer. So as of now, it's a waiting game.
The Sox reached a point of no return with Peedy. Three years was the absolute longest they could go to keep him. Four was NOT a good decision for them. The Mets offered four, Pedro informed the Sox of that, and the Sox said... "We can't offer four. Go and good luck."
Renteria over Cabrerra was an intriguing one to me. That was a place I kind of would have liked to see a little love to the incumbent. But I think Theo et al believe that the Sox need a BIG offensive force at SS in order to be competetive, and Edgar fits that bill. I will ALWAYS love O-Cab... please believe that.
As for non-free agents, this ownership group inherited Manny's contract. And while Manny certainly produces, (I happen to love him), there are SOME scenarios under which the team would be willing to move his contract. Those scenarios would all result in the team being better, or they WOULDN'T DO IT.
Some of that stuff IS dispassionate, but it's smart. If the Sox just immediatly agreed to pay top dollar to ALL of it's free agents from the 04 team, this team would be CRIPPLED by contracts within a year. They do NOT have the unending revenue sources the Yanks do (YES Network, owning the stadium outright, etc.)
Finally, I DO have a chip on my shoulder, which I've defended in other threads. It's really hard to be objective about it, but trust me, the crap I've taken over the years from many Yankee fans (not you, not accusing you of anything) merits that chip.
I don't believe in curses, never did. Can't stand to hear about it now. The Sox didn't win for 86 years because of tangible things like crap owners, crap GMs, crap managers, and players who simply didn't get it done. It never had anything to do with Babe Ruth. I never claimed the Sox had anything to do with the Yanks current WS Championship-less streak, until this year. I was just replying to that pathetic "Curse of Manny" comment.
Anyway, to debate this further would probably p1ss off 99% of the readers, so I'm stopping for now. Again, lesgrant, you know your stuff, and you DO have the right to analyze the current state of the Sox.
Did I say 3 1/2 months..... Geeze I can't wait for April.
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