lesgrant wrote:It really is. If I didn't read otherwise, I would have thought this was a Boras deal. Bernie Williams basically did the same thing to the Sox a couple of years back. The technique is as old as agents are: use one team to jack up the offer from the team you really want to sign with.
How is it standard? League industry standards are that if you make an offer to a team, and the team accepts it, you are normally bound by it, especially when it involves dealbreaking offers (such as an extra year, etc.). He made such an offer to the Sox (the three year guarenteed deal with all the fancy perks) and when they accepted it, he went back shopping to the Mets. When he made another such offer the the Mets, and the Mets accepted it, he went shopping back to the Sox. He said he was hurt and angry with the Sox after they gave in to his demands. As they had many times before. Don't get me wrong. I'm not angry about it. Just a bit disappointed in Pedro.
lesgrant wrote:No one can be informed to the point of attaching a numerical coefficient unless Pedro went under the knife. Surgery is the ONLY way. And Pedro has not had that. I agree with the notion that his shoulder is falling apart, but 90%, as opposed to 95% or 60% is just a lie. Stark attached a number to drive the point home.
Pedro has had MRIs. This is how doctors determine tears and similar injuries. Not by surgery. I don't know where you got that idea. The 90% number might be exagerated to some extent, but I don't think ESPN is making it up out of thin air. And I don't think they'd simply take the Sox's word for it. It's not a lie. It could be wrong information. But it's certainly not a lie. Why you think ESPN and Jayson Stark would make up a number is beyond me. Their reputation is on the line.
lesgrant wrote:The Red Sox ARE leaking. How did Stark get this info then? This stuff is not objective dollars and cents and contract term material. It’s stuff that goes to the “character” of Pedro and it makes you feel that much better about saying good-bye.
We don't know how Stark got his information. I won't make assumptions though until I get a reasonable amount of facts. Your assumptions about the leak assume that it is false. We don't know that yet. But I understand that is your opinion.
lesgrant wrote:As good of a job as the Sox have done in the DR, they don’t have a Dominican front office figurehead like the Mets now do. Hiring Dominicans to play on your team (at this point in history) is nowhere near the magnitude of hiring a Dominican to run it. Signing Pedro, Manny, and Ortiz is significant but certainly not unprecedented. Hiring Omar in a big market front office is historic. You are seriously discounting the obstacles minorities still face in baseball and the attention that that blacks and latinos give organizations that knock down those barriers. It’s a very big deal for Dominicans just like it was a big deal for me, an African-American, to see Steinbrenner hire Bob Watson as the first black GM in baseball and Omar hire Willie Randolph as NYC first black manager. This stuff matters to people of color who have been on the outside of things in MLB for so long.
On the smaller picture, if you think Dominicans turned out for Pedro at Fenway, wait until you see their support for him in NYC. There are more Dominicans in Washington Heights alone than permanent residents in Boston proper. This is one of those big market special situations where the player's "value" increases with the size of the stage he plays on. Babe Ruth is just one example of such.
Well I posted you a link. You really don't know much about the Sox in the Dominican. They just opened up the first real baseball camp there. They gave a ton of money to the flood victims. They have more known Dominicans on their team than any other. You should have seen Fenway this year. Dominicans everywhere waving flags. It was a nice sight. Why you think simply having a Dominican GM is going to get all the Dominican players I don't really understand. The Dominican fans know names like Pedro, Manny, Ortiz. They don't know the name Minaya all too well.
I think you are discounting the value of players from the Dominican. These are the role models for young baseball players there. Not the GMs and other bigshots. We are bombarded with information about the Red Sox in the Dominican here. I don't think you get quite how popular the Sox are there.
But personally, I don't like someone just because I have the same race or religion as them. I happen to be Jewish but wouldn't like a team because they signed a Jewish GM. But you can be sure I know most of the Jewish players in the league.
We'll see about Pedro's support. You can downplay the population of Boston all you like, but you haven't seen it first hand. And I've posted a link to show the unbelievable enthusiasm for the Sox in the Dominican. From a NY paper I might add.