Well, you guys have a great and spirited debate going
In keeping with the theme of the original post, here are some midround guys that come to mind for me that could be steals.
SP Joel Pineiro - I think I'm the first to mention him on this thread. He will probably be hard pressed to top 12-13 wins but I look for his 2005 stats to return to his 2003/2002 form.
SP C.C. Sabithia - At worst last year was what you get which isnt a bad 3rd fantasy pitcher. Has the ability to throw a good bit more K's.
SP K. Brown - He hits like a girl (too easy I know......
) but injury prone as he is, I might still gamble on him late 10th round or later.
SP K. Wells - After the 18th round maybe.
2B T. Womack - As long as he stays at the top of that lineup why cant he keep a respectable AVE and help out in Runs and Steals? Top them? Not a chance, But I'll take a shot at those numbers after the 12th to 14th round depending on my draft so far.
1B/OF Daryl Ward - Showed some flashes last year, I'll gamble on him real late 19th round or later.
C C. Wilson - Lost his catcher eligibility in most leagues but last years .264 AVE 29HR 82RBI 97R isnt too bad at all for a 1B after the 12th round. His career stats give no reason he wont duplicate it getting 500+ at bats again.
OF Jose Guillen - Round drafted depends largely on if he resigns with the Angel's or who he signs with. I wont argue with those numbers after 2 years in a row now if he signs on with a team offering solid lineup protection. Solid 10th - 12th round pick.
2B - Todd Walker - Grudzielanek filed for FA as the team declined his 2.5 million option. Depending on who is out there 11th - 12th round is solid. Probably not a steal until the 13th or later as I expect almost every fantasy site out there to naturaly pick up on and plug him.
SP Mike Mussina - Does last year decrease his value that much? I'm not sure and he is a very solid pick in the 8th round.
C M. Barrett - His bat fell off slightly in the 2nd half last year, but not as bad a drop off as prior years. 15th round or later might be a good pick for C.
OF S. Finley - Has been overlooked for about 3 years running now. I wont forget about him now until he is carted off the field or retires. Not a dependable starter but a great reserve to throw into your line up when he is hot. If he is there in the 18th or later and you think you have drafted an all around solid team, he is a great one to pick up to wait out April and then throw him in there during his hot spells. A very streaky hitter but when he is on, he is just on.
SS O. Cabrera - I'd take him in the 8th-9th round if he resigns with the Red Sox. His numbers improved vastly after comeing over (who's wouldnt with the Sox?).
SP A. Eaton - How much better I dont know. I expect some improvement from him though. Decent 5th starter maybe a 4th starter depending on his improvement. I'd gamble on him around the 20th round.
SS/2B/3B/OF Chone Figgins - His bat is legitamate and should continue to hit above .280. With those steals and eligible at all of those positions in leagues with a 10 game minimum, and all except SS in leagues with a 15 game minimum, he isnt too far a reach around the 11th. Probably a better "draft steal" candidate a few rounds later.
SP K. Escobar - I'm an A's fan and the Angels pitching is scareing me. He should come close to last years numbers with more Wins to show for it. Not a bad 2nd fantasy pitcher, and I would reach for him in the 9th or 10th if I didnt have a 2nd pitcher yet.
SS B.J. Upton - In a keeper or dynasty league probably sooner, but 17th or later sounds like a good shot at him.
SP Oliver Perez - I'm not sure where he will end up but I like his stuff. I'd take him in the 10th round for sure.
SP John Thompson - How do the Braves keep doing it with thier pitchers? He is solid 13th - 15th.
My humble little input to the debate
Mora - 2nd round? I'm sold on Mora as a great player whos numbers might drop a little but I dont think he can top any of his 2004 stats if match them next year, except for steals. To say he should go in the 2nd round, being eligible at only 3B in most leagues is a bit of a stretch. If I can get him in the late 3rd or early 4th I might go for him but with the depth at 3B, there is no way I take him over alot of the players still on the board in the 2nd round.
Beltre - In keeper or Dynasty leagues. Just maybe I would take him in the mid to late 2nd round, but most likely I peg him right at around the early to middle 3rd round.
Erboes wrote:Who's to say he won't get better? Remember, Bonds had such difficulties in his early years before it finally clicked and he never looked back. Who's to say it isn't the same with Beltre?
Now let's say you are sitting at the end of the first round. Who would you rather have after the top 8 players are gone -- Sheffield, Manny, R. Johnson, Schilling, Tejada, Rolen, Schmidt, or Beltre, which I think is a fair choice of what should be there in a mixed draft? If it were me, Manny, Sheffield, Johnson and maybe Schmidt I would take before Beltre, but other than that, Beltre would be my guy. I dont' think a late first/early second slot is a reach for him myself.
Bonds is a once a generation player, your theory is sound (I'm big on moneyball). Beltre is a stud who will continue to produce, but a Bonds comparison is reaching a little. How could you take Beltre over Tejada as well? Tejada will continue to flat out be the best SS with A-Rod no longer eligible there. He is right dead in the middle of his prime and never misses a game. How he actualy improved his average in Camden I'm not sure. Take into account his age, lineup support, career consistency and he becomes a much better and safer pick than Beltre IMHO.
BTW Erboes, I lurk much more than post and greatly respect your baseball knowledge as I read the forums alot. I have no desire to get into a general baseball knowledge discussion with you as you would take me to the woodshed
. Just giving my reason for the disagreeement on Beltre and Mora's draft value.
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