pitcherintherye wrote:Lofunzo wrote:pitcherintherye wrote:Lofunzo wrote:pitcherintherye wrote:TheYanks04 wrote:The self proclaimed superiority of the Jamesian stat heads never ceases to amaze me. They know better than the baseball writers, they know better than the fans, they know better than the guys playing or coaching the game, they know better than the veteran's committee...please. Go back to the computer printouts and keep on dreaming for a world run by geeks detached from reality.
you've seem to already generalized our arguement to be purely stat-based..which it is not. you've also seem to have generalized that some of us see the game striclty through the rose-colored glasses of rotostats and fantasy. But some of us do acutally play the game, and none claim the hubris of knowing 'more' than the sports writers...this is a criticism of the game - no one is fallible, just beacuse sports writers say so, doesn't make it right. Make sure to attack the statements made, not the individuals.
Both are good points but I will add this.......The argument here is entirely stat based. What other argument is there here?? That is a problem when you discuss these things on a fantasy site. Fantasy sports are entirely number driven and sometimes, that leaks into our arguments.
well, i guess i tried to speak for everyone when i said it wasnt entirely stat based. Fine, let me restate, my arguement isn't entirely stat based.
Please tell me the non stat-based arguments for RJ here. I am genuinely interested in hearing them.
I didnt like the fact that clemens' starts were limited to a pitch count, he rarely got passed the 6th, and his schedule was geared towards pitching at home. He was pampered in my book, which was alright, since it was part of his deal with the stros...over all I thought Roy Oswalt was that team's mvp - he had to pitch through tough innings, high pitch counts and injures.
Randy didn't have such luxuries like clemens had - he started games and intended on finishing them, in short, he did more with much much less. Then ofcourse there's the statistical arguments...
Clemens averaged @6.5 IP/start while RJ averaged @7 IP/start. Is that much of a difference?? For someone that rarely got past 6 IP, it's quite surprising that he averaged .5 IP more than that. For someone that rarely got past the 6th, he had 5 starts of less than 6 IP, 5 starts of exactly 6 IP, and 22 starts of over 6 IP.
Keep in mind that I agree that RJ should have won it but I am not surprised or angry that Clemens got it.