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Madison wrote:Bloody Nipples wrote:Madison wrote:Would you rather have a man at second with two outs and a power hitter with a .370 average swinging the bat.........
Runners at first and second with two outs and a .250 hitter with mediocre power at the plate.
For me that's an easy choice. Swing Barry swing!
Why you believe the opposite is better, I'll never know.
I would much rather have Barry in that situation, but thats not the point. The thing is you cant look at each situation individually, you have to take the whole set of data into account. Of course Barry is more likely to drive that run in than a .250 hitter, but over the course of many similar situations (say, 100), that .250 hitter will definitely knock in that runner about 25 times. Now, would you rather have Bonds knock in that run 35 times but also end the inning 65 times, or have him extend the inning 100 times. I would rather give the hitters behind him the chance to drive in runs EVERY TIME than get the 35 runs and 65 inning-ending outs. Maybe somebody can do some sort of simulation for this, I'd love to see the results.
PS: please stop this discussion. We've heard every argument 100 times over, and unless somebody has a brand new idea, I dont think we should continue repeating ourselve.
What numbers would you like to see?
If Barry swings, 36 times the runner scores and he ends the inning 64 times.
If Barry walks, then 25 times that same runner who's at second scores and the guy behind Barry ends the inning 75 times.
So Barry knocks the runner in 11 more times and creates 11 less outs than the man behind him.
What exactly would you like to see? I'd have no issues looking at or working with the numbers, but I don't see any to work with.
Bloody Nipples wrote:I think its more complicated than that. I think you have to look at the number of outs Bonds would make. If I am wrong, I am wrong, and you are right. But lets get a true authority on this to settle it. Anybody have Bill James' cell number?
Bloody Nipples wrote:So you dont have James' number? You are worthless!
Bloody Nipples wrote:I'm just kidding around. I am bored and procastinating with all my homework. But really, you are worthless
HOOTIE wrote:MAD glad to see you now have Bonds 1st.
HOOTIE wrote:if everyone walked, the inning would last forever.
HOOTIE wrote:LCBOY nice post. Saved me a lot of typing.
MOJO runs and rbis are team dependent stats. Go look at abs with runners on, and with risp, and you will see Beltre had more chances (abs). It's like buying a car based on nice wheels, without looking under the hood, like LCBOY did.
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