^ Kind of Off topic???? ^

My fun with numbers!!!

Anyway in my opinion, Bonds' feat isn't incredible because if he is getting walked so much to take his bat out of the game, then he has to figure out a way to help his team win anyway, perhaps a sparkling catch in the outfield or start stealing some more bases so that instead of snow up with bonds on first he has him on second (in which a single can score him or a pair of groundouts.

The true measure of an MVP is who helps his team win right (ala. Arod missing it so often) so if Bonds isn't helping his team win more than say Pujols, who has about the same HR, more hits, more Rbi, more Runs Scored. Than he isn't the MVP right? Simple logic.

Bonds manufactured so far: 100 rbi+123 runs-44 HR(rbi included in the runs scored)=179 runs manufactured

Tejada= 138 rbi+102 runs-31 HR= 209

V. Castillo = 128 Rbi + 90 runs - 33 HR = 185

Guerrero = 115 Rbi + 114 runs - 33 HR = 198 runs Manufactured

As you can see (from just 3 players I chose who had good numbers this year Bonds doesn't actually help his team as much as others, (and you'll say that that's because he doesn't get the Rbi but...)

Beltran comes in 1 ahead thanks to 40 steals making scoring him easier,

Pujols comes in 18 ahead

Abreu 6 ahead thanks to 39 steals which helped him score

Still not convinced?

Bonds had 58 singles, 27 2b and 44 HR, 7 steals

Beltran has 78 singles, 35 2b and 38 HR, 40 steals

so that means bonds had the equivalent of 34 2bs and he would have 49 2bs if he had as many at bats as Beltran

Beltran had the equivalent of 75 2bs....

Now SF had a RISP average of: .272 including Bonds "superior hitting"

The Astros (which i'll use because their better) had a RISP average of .271, pretty equal right

that means even if Bonds was on the astros, and beltran was on the giants Beltran would still score more runs simply because he's in scoring position more.

I'm not saying that Beltran doesn't have some advantage but Beltran beats bonds' manufactured runs stats even if you try to equalize their stats based on the teams their on.

--Peter Glaser

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