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Postby Ballwreckers » Wed Sep 15, 2004 5:57 pm

I would pick Bay hands down, but Sporting News has Greene ahead of Bay. Bay has done more in less at bats than Greene..just no comparison.
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Re: NL Rookie of the year?

Postby Baseballer02 » Wed Sep 15, 2004 6:00 pm

Ballwreckers wrote:I would pick Bay hands down, but Sporting News has Greene ahead of Bay. Bay has done more in less at bats than Greene..just no comparison.


And since when is offense the only key to winning a baseball game?
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Postby Ballwreckers » Wed Sep 15, 2004 6:06 pm

I don't know much of Greene's fielding percentage, but can it be enough to win ROY? I would think he would need some Gold Glove #'s to beat out Bay.What is Bay's fielding percentage?
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Postby LBJackal » Wed Sep 15, 2004 6:15 pm

Greene's fielding is over-rated. Yeah he's good, but just because he dives for everything doesn't mean he's the best. He's around a league-average SS range-wise, which isn't THAT great. He makes the plays look good though. Bay is better hands down, but as usual, voters don't always vote as they should, but how they want to. Greene makes the glamour plays and has the charisma, so he's more likely to win then he should be.
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Postby Mustangs989 » Wed Sep 15, 2004 6:17 pm

I agree with Jackal, I think Bay should win it but probably won't because of Greene's flashy defensive plays.
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Postby Baseballer02 » Wed Sep 15, 2004 6:18 pm

I'm not saying Greene should be ROY, I'm just saying that the offensive numbers aren't all that matters for the race this year, because Greene is a human highlight reel. As far as the NL ROY goes, I'm undecided.
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Postby raiders_umpire » Wed Sep 15, 2004 6:30 pm

my vote would be for greene,,,his offensive numbers aint quite as good as bays but with his defense at a A1 position on a playoff contender team, that puts him over bay imo......
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Postby LBJackal » Wed Sep 15, 2004 6:44 pm

Baseballer02 wrote:I'm not saying Greene should be ROY, I'm just saying that the offensive numbers aren't all that matters for the race this year, because Greene is a human highlight reel. As far as the NL ROY goes, I'm undecided.


Yeah, defense does get neglected a lot. But in most cases, it plays a very small role in getting wins for your team, no matter how good you are. I'm not sure of the exact formula for win shares, but defense affects it a LOT less than offense.
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Postby irishdude103 » Wed Sep 15, 2004 9:06 pm

Mustangs989 wrote:I agree with Jackal, I think Bay should win it but probably won't because of Greene's flashy defensive plays.
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Postby thetongueofire » Wed Sep 15, 2004 10:11 pm

LBJackal wrote: I'm not sure of the exact formula for win shares, but defense affects it a LOT less than offense.


D is pretty important in win shares but ob offense is lot more important. ;-D

Greene's got 19 WS, tied for 3rd for NL shortstops. more than 5 of those are defensive, which is good for 5th amongst NL SS for defensive WS. Bay has 13 total WS but hes had less PT. given his PT, hes actually made contribution at a better rate than Bay but thats not something i'm gonna hold against Greene or for Bay. Greene has clearly contributed more to his team and its just unfortunate that Bay didnt get to the majors earlier. Greene is still my NL Rookie of the year. couldve been a diff story if Bay had 100 more AB's...
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