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josebach wrote:Next season we are going to require a player be held for two weeks after they are added before they are allowed to be dropped. I think this will keep everyone honest without having to limit innings pitched.
George_Foreman wrote:bah. IP limits are much fairer. That type of rule is arbitrary and screws players who want to do completely legitimate things. Say I pick up a guy who just became a closer, and then he gets hurt. But my DL is full, and now I'm stuck with deadweight on my team for the next two weeks.
Or better yet, they name the new closer, but I can't pick him up and so someone else does.
I don't like "have to hold" rules at all. But then again, I have been known to spot start on occasion.
Apex wrote:LBJackal wrote:It's sole purpose is not to hamper the play of others, it's to improve your standing in the league.
This is an extremely contentious point, and people are very polarized on the issue, but I have to respectfully disagree with your assertion that the sole purpose in "churning" pitchers, without starting them or using them in any way, is anything other than hampering the play of others. As distasteful as one may consider spot starting, there is nothing within the rules, nor is there anything that can be interpreted in the rules of Yahoo public leagues that prevents it. The same can't be said of this practice.
LBJackal wrote:Wrong. If you churn pitchers so others can't start them, your purpose is to make your team higher in the standings right? So it doesn't matter if it's DIRECT, but your purpose, INDIRECTLY, is to help your own team.
Apex wrote:LBJackal wrote:Wrong. If you churn pitchers so others can't start them, your purpose is to make your team higher in the standings right? So it doesn't matter if it's DIRECT, but your purpose, INDIRECTLY, is to help your own team.
Not to belabor the point, but can you give me an example of a roster move (other than churning players) that would be intended strictly to hamper the play of another owner? If not, then what would you consider the intent of that rule?
LBJackal wrote:In a H2H league, some guy beats you by picking up lots of SP's, and after you're eliminated you churn pitchers so he loses. No gain to you, only harm to him.
josebach wrote:LBJackal wrote:In a H2H league, some guy beats you by picking up lots of SP's, and after you're eliminated you churn pitchers so he loses. No gain to you, only harm to him.
Come on now. You know that's not why the rule was put into place. If you pick up a player without the intention of playing him, you're churning... PERIOD!!!
Fortunately, we don't have anybody so unreasonable as LBJackal in our league. If you happen to, though, the solution is simple. Have the league vote as to what the intention of the rule is.
Don't get me wrong, I understand that LBJackal's strategy is designed to counter annoying spot starters. Unfortunately, spot starting isn't illegal and churning is. Make sure all rules are decided before the season starts. That's why we are discussing the two week rule now so this kind of thing doesn't happen next year.
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