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Postby tmoney » Wed Jul 28, 2004 10:48 pm

Who do you think is more valuable in a 5x5 roto league, Scot Shields or Scott Linebrink?

I think it is pretty close, each having their own positives. Sheilds will get more SO's, while Linebrink should have a lower ERA.
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Postby pomplona's finest » Wed Jul 28, 2004 11:04 pm

I would take Linebrink.
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Postby Chopper » Wed Jul 28, 2004 11:29 pm

Linebrink by a good margin. Shields seems to get blown up bad all too often. I use MR's precisely because they can bring down my ERA/WHIP. Shields ERA is none too impressive for a reliever.
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Postby DieHardCubbie » Thu Jul 29, 2004 3:39 am

From here on out....neither should have much value in a mixed roto league.... ;-)

but if I was to take one...it would be Linebrink... :-)
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Postby bunyan » Thu Jul 29, 2004 5:22 am

hey DHC, whats wrong with them? they fill a SP slot if you're trying to drop innings...are they more valuable than a bench player that gets used 1-2 times a week?
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Postby great gretzky » Thu Jul 29, 2004 9:29 am

I disagree with die hard cubbie.

I have torres, linebrink and sheilds on my team. their cumulative stats are:

177 ip, 16 wins, 155 k's. 2.74 era, 1.16 whip. That is like manufacturing a stud out of pieces no one wants.

Granted, the wins are unpredictable but still...

Or, If you like, take the combined effect of both of them:

122 ip, 10 wins, 123 k's, 2.73 era, 1.13.

(I did these caluclations yesterday BTW)

Then compare that to say Curt schilling (I have him, that is why)

139 ip, 12 wins, 128 k's 3.38 era, 1.16

The fact is I think putting both of them on your squad and then ignoring that shadystarter everyone seems to have is much more aqdvantageous.

As counter intuitive as it is, and as vehemently against MR's as some people are, the stats don't lie. Both of them combined are comprable to a top starter -- of course you have to leave them in there and not sit them here and there.

I may just go with a rotation of those three middle relivers, schilling, mulder, c. zambrano and radke for the rest of the year. instead of worrying about whether to start someone like benson or arroyo.
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Postby Chopper » Thu Jul 29, 2004 12:01 pm

Good analysis GG....additionally, Shields has vultured 3 saves this year. You could have created other Frankenstein starters this year with the combinations of Rincon, Mota, Ryan, Madson, Almanzar, etc.
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Postby Chopper » Thu Jul 29, 2004 12:11 pm

If anyone is interested, there were a couple of great threads about evaluating the value of relievers many months ago:

http://www.fantasybaseballcafe.com/foru ... hp?t=41974
http://www.fantasybaseballcafe.com/foru ... hp?t=39496

btw, whatever happened to Eugene-styles?
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Postby ironman » Thu Jul 29, 2004 2:31 pm

I've had Linebrink in a points league for most of the season and he's been giving some quality IP's. I picked him up originally because he qualifies at SP as well and in our league we have only one RP slot and one P slot and 5 SP slots. I have two closers at RP and SP so having a couple MR in my SP slots that can give you worry free innings with some K's and the occasional win or hold(which I know wouldn't apply to 5x5 roto) has been nice.
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