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Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 12:28 am
Tango's lwts value by the 24 base states. K's are more valuable in more situations and there are only a small number of situations that non-k outs are more valuable (usually inning ending double play situations). With two outs of course the value for each is exactly the same (at least until you consider errors).

Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 12:36 am
Tavish wrote:Tango's lwts value by the 24 base states. K's are more valuable in more situations and there are only a small number of situations that non-k outs are more valuable (usually inning ending double play situations). With two outs of course the value for each is exactly the same (at least until you consider errors).

Aren't you misreading that table or am I? Too me it shows Ks as less valuable in almost all situations.

Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 12:39 am
I think hes lookin at it from the standpoint of a pitcher. Why would a double play be more valuable than a K to the batter? It would be great for a pitcher.

Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 12:39 am
Aren't you misreading that table or am I? Too me it shows Ks as less valuable in almost all situations.

My bad, I was answering it from a different perspective than the original question was posed. When I say K being more valuable I mean in terms of being more valuable to the pitcher.

LBJ's post in Baseball History was on my mind.

Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 12:42 am
Got it. I wasn't thinking about it from the pitcher's perspective.

Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 12:48 am
Amazinz wrote:Got it. I wasn't thinking about it from the pitcher's perspective.

Yeah, sorry about that. For those who don't feel the need to look at the table, the average value (to the batter this time ) of a non-K out is -0.299 runs. Meaning on average when you make an out it costs your team 0.299 runs. The value of a K is -0.31. The difference isn't drastic but is magnified under different conditions.