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Carnac wrote:Maybe cannot be considered the best of all-time because of shortened career. But, in his prime there was not a better pitcher when everything was on the line than Sandy.
Carnac wrote:I wasn't trying to point out the importance of K's, just saying the mound doesn't make that much difference in pitching.
Just responding to the statement that it diminishes Koufax's achievements.
Carnac wrote:I agree with LCBoy.
Grove was the best lefty ever.
9 era titles don't lie
5 era titles don't lie
only knock is shortened career and it is a fair knock
Someone will surely look up Johnson's era titles
LBJackal wrote:I'd definately say RJ, for pretty much the same reasons as HOOTIE just mentioned. He was better than Koufax in pretty much every important category, and pitched much longer. Can't really see why Koufax would be said to be better. What did he do better? As for Lefty Grove, he was awesome. But it was such a long time ago, so it's tough to tell for sure. He was also not only a starter, but a reliever, and had a relatively low IP/game. If Grove was an SP for his whole career, I might pick him, but I'm going with RJ as the best lefty of all time.
nmarq8 wrote:no one says "those damn mets blew their chance at a ring." They say, "damn buckner ruined the mets' chance at a ring."
LBJackal wrote:nmarq8 wrote:no one says "those damn mets blew their chance at a ring." They say, "damn buckner ruined the mets' chance at a ring."
I don't think they say that either. They say "damn Buckner ruined the Red Sox chance at a ring." I assume that's a typo, since it's fairly well known which MLB is cursed
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