HOOTIE wrote:bibsybob wrote:maybe theres that whole runs created stat or something like that, just dont know how taht works. But how do u compare 120 runs to 120 rbi.
Runs and rbis are team dependent stats, influenced alot by # of abs, spot in order. Unless a player hrs, he's totally dependent on his team to get either. Runs created has nothing to do with either.
BLANKMAN Nice job.
I have never noticed you as a sabermetric person before? Was i sleeping, or did you turn over a new leaf?
I was originally against the movement, because I liked what I knew- batting averages, RBIs, Runs. Knowledge of these stats was I guess somewhat comforting because I thought I could determine who was better by just looking at the triple crown numbers.
After reading a lot of your posts and seeing how you won pretty much every debate with your stats and after reading some of Bill James' stuff, I guess you could say I've turned over a new leaf. I still do tend to look at what I know more about first, but I'm trying to change.
It also helps that these stats back up the assertion I had in 2001 that Ichiro was overrated without knowing anything about sabermetrics at the time. I was incredibly mad when Ichiro won ROY instead of Soriano (although the rules stated Ichiro as a rookie and I will admit that he was more deserving of an award over Soriano) but when he got MVP over Giambi, who was on Oakland at the time (no team bias there) I was extremely mad. Its kind of interesting how voters changed their definition of rookie last yr with Matsui, but thats another story.