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blankman wrote:donut wrote:one area in which i feel vlad is considerably better than manny is on defense. vlad has good speed in the outfield(though he never dives after balls) and has a monster arm. if defense counts towards mvp voting vlad has out classed manny in this categorey. vald leads the majors with 6 outfield assists and has already saved a game this year with his arm.
A good point. That was the Posada play wasn't it? If it is that one, I should point out that Posada was safe though He was NEVER even tagged with the ball, just a glove with no ball in it and he beat the "tag" anyway.
Transmogrifier wrote:For you, then, DK, it's all about stats and not situation? Orioles, in third place, with Raffy, Javy and Tejada? And you pick Mora? I know his stats are good, but the injuries that the Angels and Sox have overcome makes Manny and Vlad the leaders, with Manny on top.
DK wrote:For me, in a sense, it is about stats. MVP is the Most Valuable Player- but to what? The team? The league? The owner? Himself? His wife? His cat? In my opinion, the MVP is the player that accumulates the best overall statistics for the team. I do not consider the MVP to be an award won because of his team's W-L record, because a player who has a 1.000 OBP and a 4.000 SLG could still be on a 42-120 team. Now, because he has those statistics, a team would probably be much better, but imagine how bad a team would be WITHOUT that 1.000 OBP and 4.000 SLG player.
The MVP award, in MY opinion (yours can be different, and I will have no problem with it) should be the player who accumulates the best overall stats. Throw out situation/clutch ability, I thought HOOTIE and Bill James taught you to forget about all that. A-Rod, had he and Derek Jeter been traded while still in the minors, would have four, five, six MVP's by now- with the identical team as Derek Jeter around him. But because he had a sub-par team around him, he could only muster one MVP.
DK wrote:Think of it this way.
1998- 40-40- Should have ruled the AL. Juan Gone beat him out with all those RBI- another situational stat.
1999- A repeat. Pudge, despite his greatness, didn't deserve that one.
2000- OPS of 1.026. Insane. Giambi was great too, however.
2001-Ichiro won because of his fans and the fact that he was a great Japanese player. A-Rod could have gotten that one.
2002-Tejada shouldn't have gotten this one.
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