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Transmogrifier wrote:Can someone give me the argument about why Vlad should win over Manny?
Vlad has carried his team--with Guillen--while injuries have hit the Angels of late.
Manny started the season with the team on his back with Nomar and Trot down.
Avg. OBP SLG OPS Runs RBI HRs SB
Manny .351 .430 .625 1.055 27 29 11 1
Vlad .346 .397 .603 1.000 41 36 11 1
So, basically, Manny leads in everything he can control--as we know here at the Cafe, Vlad only leads in the two categories that his team controls, Runs and RBIs.
Yes, we at the Cafe may know that Runs and RBI aren't great indicators of performance, but do the ACTUAL voters?
But you take Vlad too! Why? Are you falling into the Runs/RBI trap?blankman wrote:Personally, I'd take Vlad, with Manny a very close second.
blankman wrote:As for end of the year I'll go with Jeter. Watch Jeter win the Gold Glove , come back from .190 to lead the league in AVG and score 130 Runs
The odds of the AL MVP coming from the American League are looking pretty good.
I'd just like to say that as hot as Clemens is right now, he MUST get hit sooner or later.
Transmogrifier wrote:But you take Vlad too! Why? Are you falling into the Runs/RBI trap?blankman wrote:Personally, I'd take Vlad, with Manny a very close second.
Or do you actually think he's made more of a difference because of the more high-profile (in season, too) injuries? I think, part of the thinking is that people are looking at Glaus and Anderson being done for the year. All well and good. But we're talking about NOW. And Glaus and Anderson contributed a lot to this team's current position.
The Sox are ahead of the Yankees despite two of their top guys--for every single game!!! That's a huge difference. I have yet to hear a logical argument about why Vlad wins over Manny right now.
A 1.5 game difference in the standings does not wash over the stats.
Transmogrifier wrote:blankman wrote:As for end of the year I'll go with Jeter. Watch Jeter win the Gold Glove , come back from .190 to lead the league in AVG and score 130 Runs
Right. I expect Jeter to bounce back, but no way does he lead the league in average, nor does he win a gold glove. That's a reach.
donut wrote:one area in which i feel vlad is considerably better than manny is on defense. vlad has good speed in the outfield(though he never dives after balls) and has a monster arm. if defense counts towards mvp voting vlad has out classed manny in this categorey. vald leads the majors with 6 outfield assists and has already saved a game this year with his arm.
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