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PostPosted: Sat May 08, 2004 9:08 pm
by ajgnydc722
Pedro wrote:You're acting as if I said the Cards had a terrible line-up.

All I said was that they had holes in their line-up.

Which they do, and their names are Womack, Lankford, Sanders and Matheny.


I just re-read this and noticed you said Sanders was a hole? 31 homeruns last year and 90 something RBI's for the Pittsburgh Pirates. Have you seen his stats so far this year? Anything but a hole in the lineup.

PostPosted: Sat May 08, 2004 9:09 pm
by CubsFan7724
What is with all the Cubs offense dissing? Sosa, Alou, Ramirez, and D Lee are pretty good hitters last time I checked. While they arent better than the cards, its not hitting that wins you the playoffs. Its pitching. Thats why the Cardinals wont be making the playoffs this year. There staff is a joked compared to the cubs and the astros. On a side note, give me the Cubs staff over the Astros any day :-D.

PostPosted: Sat May 08, 2004 9:10 pm
by jpbusta
CubsFan7724 wrote:What is with all the Cubs offense dissing? Sosa, Alou, Ramirez, and D Lee are pretty good hitters last time I checked. While they arent better than the cards, its not hitting that wins you the playoffs. Its pitching. Thats why the Cardinals wont be making the playoffs this year. There staff is a joked compared to the cubs and the astros. On a side note, give me the Cubs staff over the Astros any day :-D.


Yea, well we weren't exactly talking about their rotation, we were talking solely about their lineup. Obviously anyone would take the Cubs staff over the cardinals. ;-)

PostPosted: Sat May 08, 2004 9:11 pm
by Pedro
ajgnydc722 wrote:Why don't you post the splits from the last 3 years each? I'd like to see how equal they are...


3 year splits?

Player A) .305 BA, 34 HR, 116 RBI, .986 OPS

Player B) .320 BA, 30 HR, 103 RBI, .974 OPS

I fail to see any superiority.

Okay, why don't you tell me how the Cards line-up is better than the Red Sox, Cubs and Phillies.

PostPosted: Sat May 08, 2004 9:11 pm
by ajgnydc722
CubsFan7724 wrote:What is with all the Cubs offense dissing? Sosa, Alou, Ramirez, and D Lee are pretty good hitters last time I checked. While they arent better than the cards, its not hitting that wins you the playoffs. Its pitching. Thats why the Cardinals wont be making the playoffs this year. There staff is a joked compared to the cubs and the astros. On a side note, give me the Cubs staff over the Astros any day :-D.


No disrespect to the Cubs. They have some very good hitters and I know pitching is what matters but we were just discussing hitting here. And it is impossible to say the Cubs have a better lineup than St. Louis, while I agree with your other points.

PostPosted: Sat May 08, 2004 9:12 pm
by ajgnydc722
Pedro wrote:
ajgnydc722 wrote:Why don't you post the splits from the last 3 years each? I'd like to see how equal they are...


3 year splits?

Player A) .305 BA, 34 HR, 116 RBI, .986 OPS

Player B) .320 BA, 30 HR, 103 RBI, .974 OPS

I fail to see any superiority.

Okay, why don't you tell me how the Cards line-up is better than the Red Sox, Cubs and Phillies.


1. I was trying to say show their stats from 2001-2002-2003.

2. I think it's fairly obvious why the Sox, Cubs, and Phils don't have better lineups and others agree with me. I'd just like to hear your reasoning for putting them there.

PostPosted: Sat May 08, 2004 9:14 pm
by Pedro
And I gave you their stats from 2001-2002-2003, want to keep arguing?

If it's so obvious why not explain to me how the Cards have such a superior line-up to the Cubs, Phils and BoSox?

PostPosted: Sat May 08, 2004 9:17 pm
by ajgnydc722
Correct me if I'm wrong but I only saw 1 line of stats for each player. There should be 3. I'll give you an example:

Lance Berkman:
2001- stats here
2002- stats here


etc.

I would really like to hear you explain why you included them. Other people have agreed with me that you were wrong about that, so the better thing to do in this situation is you defend yourself and see if we can find something reasonable with it.

PostPosted: Sat May 08, 2004 9:18 pm
by CubsFan7724
ajgnydc722 wrote:
CubsFan7724 wrote:What is with all the Cubs offense dissing? Sosa, Alou, Ramirez, and D Lee are pretty good hitters last time I checked. While they arent better than the cards, its not hitting that wins you the playoffs. Its pitching. Thats why the Cardinals wont be making the playoffs this year. There staff is a joked compared to the cubs and the astros. On a side note, give me the Cubs staff over the Astros any day :-D.


No disrespect to the Cubs. They have some very good hitters and I know pitching is what matters but we were just discussing hitting here. And it is impossible to say the Cubs have a better lineup than St. Louis, while I agree with your other points.

Read the bold. Didnt I say they arent better than the cards? :-D. as for hitting, on paper it looks like the best is the yankees, but they have definitely underperformed. I like how the Astros have hit, so they would be my #1 hitting team. Of course I hate the yankees though :-D

PostPosted: Sat May 08, 2004 9:18 pm
by Pedro
3 year splits = 3 year averages.

And the only person that agreed with you was jpbusta and the only reason he could give was - :-].