wrveres wrote:BankRoll wrote: Dude, you're putting a little too much emphasis on CG and you have to put it in context. Yes it's a lot of CGs for that time (and even more so now), but look in the past and it doesn't even hold up a candle to some of the other guys. For example:
Kid Nichols - 561GS, 531CG (95%)
Pud Galvin - 689GS, 649CG (94%)
Tim Keefe - 593GS, 554CG (93%)
Cy Young - 815GS, 749CG (92%)
and for comparison:
Nolan Ryan - 733GS, 222CG (30%)
Wow..... where did all the love go
Though I will be the first to admit that comparing stats with players from different era's is fruitless, I do find it one hell of a lot easier to compare them when they are separated by 10-20 years vs. 110-120 years.
But since you have that neat little database there.. Bankroll... please go back and check to see who was the last pitcher to have.....
156 CG's but only
138 Win's for an awful team....oh and
2400 Strikeouts over an
8 year span.
And he only quit pitching 10 years ago. Not 110. LMAO Thats alot of complete games for that time LMAO
"I challenge anybody to find a better 8 year run." Is that not what you said? You highlighted complete games like it's something amazing and I pointed out it wasn't. Nowhere in your post did you mention a time period either.
Anyways, look at Walter Johnson from 1910 to 1919 (10 season span, even harder to do). Averaged 26.5W/season (lead majors twice), 222K/season (lead majors 6 times) and his highest ERA in that span was 2.21, the rest all between 1.15 and 1.90 (lead the majors 4 times). Also lead the majors in CG and Shutouts 3 times each in that span.
In your Nolan Ryan time period he never lead the league in ERA or Wins, lead the league in losses once, and lead the league in walks (6) more times that he lead strike outs (5). He only lead the league in CG once in that period, and shut outs 3 times.
And if you want more recent, look at Randy Johnson's last 10 seasons (discounting his '96 season were he only made 8 starts, so actually 9 seasons). He lead the league 8 times in strike outs (in effectively 9 seasons), lead the league twice in ERA, lead the league once in wins, and earned 5 Cy Youngs.
So there you go. You dared and got your answer.