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Re: BJ Upton

PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 10:49 am
by SecretAgentMan
NikkiSixx wrote:Upton is only 29 and has only had 1 bad fantasy season... It's not hard to picture him turning it around. But it's also not hard to see a repeat of last year, hence the bench spot.



I guess that depends on how you define bad. Upton has had one season where his OPS was above 800 in his entire career (2007). He has had seasons where it was in the 600s and the 500s which is laughable. Add in that he has been around for about 10 years now so he is no kid. Has to be one of the most overrated players in the past 5 years. The fact that people are stashing him hoping the one fluke season re-emerges is a testament to that as most players with these type of garbage numbers would not even get drafted in std mixed leagues.

Re: BJ Upton

PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 11:03 am
by NikkiSixx
SecretAgentMan wrote:
NikkiSixx wrote:Upton is only 29 and has only had 1 bad fantasy season... It's not hard to picture him turning it around. But it's also not hard to see a repeat of last year, hence the bench spot.



I guess that depends on how you define bad. Upton has had one season where his OPS was above 800 in his entire career (2007). He has had seasons where it was in the 600s and the 500s which is laughable. Add in that he has been around for about 10 years now so he is no kid. Has to be one of the most overrated players in the past 5 years. The fact that people are stashing him hoping the one fluke season re-emerges is a testament to that as most players with these type of garbage numbers would not even get drafted in std mixed leagues.

One bad FANTASY season. He was useful every year except last year in standard fantasy leagues.

Re: BJ Upton

PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 11:39 am
by West
SecretAgentMan wrote:
NikkiSixx wrote:Upton is only 29 and has only had 1 bad fantasy season... It's not hard to picture him turning it around. But it's also not hard to see a repeat of last year, hence the bench spot.



I guess that depends on how you define bad. Upton has had one season where his OPS was above 800 in his entire career (2007). He has had seasons where it was in the 600s and the 500s which is laughable. Add in that he has been around for about 10 years now so he is no kid. Has to be one of the most overrated players in the past 5 years. The fact that people are stashing him hoping the one fluke season re-emerges is a testament to that as most players with these type of garbage numbers would not even get drafted in std mixed leagues.


It's amazing how far downhill the commentary on this forum has gotten. I've seen some of the most inane responses yet in this thread.

Your response is laughable. I'm sorry, is OPS a category in your league? It's not in mine. R, HR, RBI, SB, AVG. If we're going to talk OPS, without the moronic hyperbole, Upton actually has a career .736 OPS and only had one SEASON (non plural) - last year - when it was below 600. It was .686 in 2009, which is not laughable when you consider he was still a $19 player that year thank to his 11HR and 42 SBs.

Yes, Upton has been around for 10 years. Is that your argument? Because last time I checked it doesn't change the fact that he is still 29 years old. If anything it's a testament to how accomplished he was at a young age.

Seriously, what planet do you live on? Are we playing real baseball or fantasy? If you want to have a conversation about RAR and VORP go to a Sabermetrics conference. Upton has been a $20+ player for 6 out of the last 7 years. Yes, he looked terrible last year and he looks terrible at the plate so far this year. Good thing he only cost me the auction equivalent of $1.

Can we limit this conversation to adults from now on?

Re: BJ Upton

PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 12:39 pm
by NikkiSixx
West wrote:
SecretAgentMan wrote:
NikkiSixx wrote:Upton is only 29 and has only had 1 bad fantasy season... It's not hard to picture him turning it around. But it's also not hard to see a repeat of last year, hence the bench spot.



I guess that depends on how you define bad. Upton has had one season where his OPS was above 800 in his entire career (2007). He has had seasons where it was in the 600s and the 500s which is laughable. Add in that he has been around for about 10 years now so he is no kid. Has to be one of the most overrated players in the past 5 years. The fact that people are stashing him hoping the one fluke season re-emerges is a testament to that as most players with these type of garbage numbers would not even get drafted in std mixed leagues.


It's amazing how far downhill the commentary on this forum has gotten. I've seen some of the most inane responses yet in this thread.

Your response is laughable. I'm sorry, is OPS a category in your league? It's not in mine. R, HR, RBI, SB, AVG. If we're going to talk OPS, without the moronic hyperbole, Upton actually has a career .736 OPS and only had one SEASON (non plural) - last year - when it was below 600. It was .686 in 2009, which is not laughable when you consider he was still a $19 player that year thank to his 11HR and 42 SBs.

Yes, Upton has been around for 10 years. Is that your argument? Because last time I checked it doesn't change the fact that he is still 29 years old. If anything it's a testament to how accomplished he was at a young age.

Seriously, what planet do you live on? Are we playing real baseball or fantasy? If you want to have a conversation about RAR and VORP go to a Sabermetrics conference. Upton has been a $20+ player for 6 out of the last 7 years. Yes, he looked terrible last year and he looks terrible at the plate so far this year. Good thing he only cost me the auction equivalent of $1.

Can we limit this conversation to adults from now on?

You have gotten really defensive over BJ Upton in this thread to the point that you insult anybody that doesn't like him. Upton was NOT a guy that struck out over 30% of the time in Tampa, it was usually mid 20's. It was 33% last year and had a similar number in spring training, and now has struck out OVER HALF of his at bats to start the season (although a very small sample size). With every game that he looks like a fool at the plate, I sour on him. There are slumps, and then there is what BJ Upton has done since he has put on a Braves uniform. He looks plain awful right now.


And if we are going to have a conversation with adults then please knock it off with the insults and belittling of others just because people are pointing out that BJ Upton might be the worst hitter in baseball right now.

Re: BJ Upton

PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 1:43 pm
by West
NikkiSixx wrote:
You have gotten really defensive over BJ Upton in this thread to the point that you insult anybody that doesn't like him. Upton was NOT a guy that struck out over 30% of the time in Tampa, it was usually mid 20's. It was 33% last year and had a similar number in spring training, and now has struck out OVER HALF of his at bats to start the season (although a very small sample size). With every game that he looks like a fool at the plate, I sour on him. There are slumps, and then there is what BJ Upton has done since he has put on a Braves uniform. He looks plain awful right now.


And if we are going to have a conversation with adults then please knock it off with the insults and belittling of others just because people are pointing out that BJ Upton might be the worst hitter in baseball right now.


BJ does look terrible right now, I've watched most of his ABs. He looks completely lost at the plate and he's swinging through a lot of fastballs. I haven't seen today's lineup but he'll probably be bumped down to 7th or 8th within the next day or two if he keeps this up. I'm a complete realist on BJ. I know that he's fully capable of hitting .180.

What I can't tolerate is listening to people overreact because they got burned by him last year. If people are going to call him garbage, a fluke, and overrated, then I'm going to point out the faults in their logic. It doesn't even qualify as logic, it's just subjective, short sighted, anecdotal evidence. Just because BJ was drafted in the 4th round last year and had probably the worst return on investment of any offensive player, doesn't mean he's not a good value this year. I'll continue to hammer that point home.

Re: BJ Upton

PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2014 9:33 am
by wrveres
Bj Upton is a great value this year.
but i wont touch him cus i got burned by him last year.
:-)

Re: BJ Upton

PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2014 5:44 pm
by West
BJ is hitting .120 with 11 K's in 25 ABs. Heyward is hitting .130 with 8 K's in 23 ABs. Tell me it's a small sample size and I'll say: exactly.

Re: BJ Upton

PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2014 7:53 pm
by NikkiSixx
West wrote:BJ is hitting .120 with 11 K's in 25 ABs. Heyward is hitting .130 with 8 K's in 23 ABs. Tell me it's a small sample size and I'll say: exactly.

Not encouraging considering his decline last year. All he has to do is give some sort of sign that he is an improved player from last season... I don't see it.

Re: BJ Upton

PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2014 8:07 pm
by J35J
Yeah, the 34% k rate last year makes me think what he's doing this year isn't a fluke...we'll see though...long ways to go.

Re: BJ Upton

PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2014 9:07 am
by Surfs up
Exactly. At the rate he's going he could get that up to 40%.