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I think only certain teams lose their 1st round pick, right? like if your one of the bad teams in baseball from last season, then your 1st round pick is protected? I haven't been following Lohse, but it was like that with Michael Bourn
daullaz wrote:He wasn't offered arbitration. He was made a qualifying offer.
The way the new rules work, the top 125 salaries of the just completed year -- in this case 2012 -- are averaged together to come up with a number. This year, that number was $13.3 million. All teams are allowed to then make a one-year qualifying offer of that amount to any of their players who are entering free agency. The player has the option of accepting the deal or declining it.
If they decline it and hit the open market, the new compensation rules come into effect. Those state that a team that signs a player who declined a qualifying offer (if not the team that made the qualifying offer) loses their first pick, unless it falls inside the top 10, in which case they lose their second pick. The player's former team then receives a compensation pick sandwiched between the first and second rounds. The order of the sandwich pick is the same as the first round for all teams with compensatory picks, so if both the Astros and Nationals had compensation picks this year, the Astros' pick would come first.
Under the new system, nine players were made qualifying offers, all worth $13.3 million: David Ortiz, Josh Hamilton, Michael Bourn, Adam LaRoche, Kyle Lohse, B.J. Upton, Hiroki Kuroda, Rafael Soriano and Nick Swisher. Ortiz re-signed before the players' decision deadline, the other eight declined the offer. LaRoche and Kuroda re-signed with their former teams, so the pick compensation rules are thrown out in those cases.
The Indians signed Bourn and Swisher, the Angels signed Hamilton, the Braves signed Upton and the Nats signed Soriano. Since the Indians have a top-ten pick in the first round, they lost their second and third round picks (and the amount of allotted bonus pool money, which is a whole 'nother thing). The Angels lost the 1.22 pick, the Braves lost the 1.28 pick, and the Nationals lost the 1.31, with all three losing the allotted bonus pool number associated with each pick.
The Yankees lost Swisher and Soriano, the Rangers lost Hamilton, the Rays lost Upton and the Braves lost Bourn. While I'm not positive, I believe the Yankees' picks will be back-to-back, rather than the team getting the first pick because they lost more than one guy. That would mean that, directly behind the Reds' first-round pick (which is now No. 28), are picks for the Rays, Rangers, Braves, Yankees and Yankees again, in that order, before the second round starts.
If Lohse re-signs with St. Louis, that'll be the final draft order. If he signs somewhere else, the Cardinals will get the pick between the Reds' first-rounder and the Rays' compensatory pick, and the signing team will lose its first-round pick, unless it's one of the following teams (pick lost in parenthesis):
Astros (2nd round)
Cubs (2nd round)
Rockies (2nd round)
Twins (2nd round)
Indians (4th round)
Marlins (2nd round)
Red Sox (2nd round)
Royals (2nd round)
Blue Jays (2nd round)
Angels (2nd round)
Braves (2nd round)
Nationals (2nd round)
Caveat No. 1: The Pirates have two first-round picks (No. 9, No. 14) after failing to sign Mark Appel, their 2012 first-round pick. They would lose the second of those picks (No. 14) if they signed Lohse.
Caveat No. 2: The Mets argued that they should have a protected first rounder despite checking in at No. 11, as they were the tenth-worst team but were moved down a pick due to the Appel situation above. This argument was likely in relation to their interest in Michael Bourn, but it'll be interesting to see how baseball rules in the matter, as it could have a future effect.
wrveres wrote:anybody remember when the Giants used to sign free agents early so that they would purposely lose their first round pick? That way they didn't have to pay the prospect.
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