Skin Blues wrote:SpecialFNK wrote:there are many good relievers with great non closing numbers, but then when they get the chance to become a closer they can't get the job done. it's a different environment.
If you have real evidence to support this, please share it. It would be interesting to read an actual study because there very well could be something to it, but I've never seen anything other than anecdotes. Many of the anecdotes are then proven wrong when guys like Betancourt and Madson become closers. Its the classic "something is true until it isn't" situation. There's no real science to it, it's just a narrative used by sports radio and baseball announcers.
this would take too much time to look up right now for numbers. I've just seen it mentioned before on websites as well as what managers have talked about. there's more pressure in the 9th closing out a game.
just off the top of my head, didn't Mujica struggle as a closer with the Marlins when given the chance?
CM52 wrote:SpecialFNK wrote:if any closer is not blowing any/many saves, then why remove that closer from the role? the bottom line is getting saves. in the end that's what matters, winning games, and getting saves.
there are many good relievers with great non closing numbers, but then when they get the chance to become a closer they can't get the job done. it's a different environment.
But the fact is that, on top of:
(a) his declining production over the years
(b) his poor peripherals, and
(c) the eye test verifying he's just throwing junk with no movement over the plate and getting hit hard as a result
He blew vital saves for them last year, and he is continuing to blow saves this year. There is no reason for them to continue down this path.
except (c) isn't happening. he has 12.0 LD% on the season. so batters are not driving the ball hard.
in fact, batters are actually driving the ball less in June.
March/April- 14.3 LD%, 42.9 GB%, 42.9 FB%, 0.0 HR/FB
May- 14.8 LD%, 40.7 GB%, 44.4 FB% , 16.7 HR/FB
June- 6.3 LD%, 43.8 GB%, 50.0 FB%, 37.5 HR/FB
that FB% will come down, and I have to imagine that HR/FB will come down whether the FB% comes down or not.
I agree with declining production. from great to good.