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Re: Touching base/taking requests re: Yahoo! Fantasy Basebal

Postby collective » Tue Sep 17, 2013 1:19 pm

Man I wish Edmundo Castellanos would get some playing time...
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Re: Touching base/taking requests re: Yahoo! Fantasy Basebal

Postby TheTrith » Wed Sep 18, 2013 3:59 am

Can someone please explain this...

In both my Yahoo Pro leagues, waivers have NOT yet cleared for the week, but most of the players are already FA's?
How can Starks be a FA, but Royal is on waivers?
Is this a glitch or is it always like this?


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Re: Touching base/taking requests re: Yahoo! Fantasy Basebal

Postby Fantasy Sports Genie » Wed Sep 18, 2013 10:48 am

That typically means that those players had one or more claims on them. The claims haven't been processed yet, but nobody can jump in and nab them as FA's.
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Re: Touching base/taking requests re: Yahoo! Fantasy Basebal

Postby Mortician » Thu Sep 19, 2013 12:59 am

The darkening of the zeros on the stat areas of the page is a definite plus in helping to read and scan through stats in the new visual format. Very good improvement!
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Re: Touching base/taking requests re: Yahoo! Fantasy Basebal

Postby collective » Fri Sep 20, 2013 10:24 am

collective wrote:Man I wish Edmundo Castellanos would get some playing time...


:shrug:
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Re: Touching base/taking requests re: Yahoo! Fantasy Basebal

Postby AdvRider » Sat Sep 21, 2013 8:01 am

Mortician wrote:The darkening of the zeros on the stat areas of the page is a definite plus in helping to read and scan through stats in the new visual format. Very good improvement!
;-D


Wow, I completely disagree with that. It's annoying the bejeepers out of me. In fact it's the reason I'm visiting this thread, to highlight that very issue.

I don't know about others, but my mind does not automatically interpret a gray spot as a '0.' If it's a 0 -- tell me it's a 0! Show me it's a 0! To me, NOT showing a 0 is counterintuitive and makes the user do a little mental processing to apprehend the data. The last thing I want to do is more mental processing.

If there's a column or row of 0s in a pitcher's game log for ER BB or what have you, I want that data to pop out at me -- not be obscured. Another thumbs down. :-t
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Re: Touching base/taking requests re: Yahoo! Fantasy Basebal

Postby AdvRider » Sat Sep 21, 2013 9:02 am

West wrote:I look at the format and see a failure from top to bottom. It's busy, it's confusing, you cannot find useful information quickly. I am not going into detail about what is wrong because the very CORE of the format is wrong. You cannot fix it without revamping it and simplifying it.

If you want me to go into detail, just scratching the surface: You do not need a baseball field in the background of the player pages. You can't use a black background when the whole point of the player page is to find information quickly and move on. They eliminated many of the helpful features of the player page, such as a SP's next start (already mentioned). etc, etc....


I completely agree. The issues are rampant, and I could spend hours putting together screen shots and commentary on the many problems that exist on both fantasy and non-fantasy pages --- the baseball scoreboard, player pages, fantasy football, and so forth. Surely the Yahoo team presumably as users of their own system i.e. eating their own dog food are experiencing the same frustrations as many on this board.

I seriously suggest this, Yahoo -- go back to the old format. You said you wouldn't, but it's time to rethink that. Admit to yourselves this "upgrade" was not ready for prime time. Then, iteratively roll out group-tested and validated improvements that are agreed / proven to enhance the user experience. And do so with a top-line principle of presenting more data -- not less. One example, the "new" MLB scoreboard, and team scores/schedules, present a lot less information than the old pages (still intact on the Canadian pages).

Here's a feature that could be improved with additional data: Make available in fantasy baseball not just pitching probables for the next day, but for the next three or four days. That would be extremely valuable for streaming. Now with player pages no longer showing an SP's next scheduled start, I find myself going to the Canadian site to get that information, and -- bad for Yahoo -- going to other, competing sites of ESPN MLB Fox Sporting News and so forth.

In the past month, I have spent much, much, much more time on other sites because Yahoo's anti-upgrade removed so many features and data points that I relied on for years to both run fantasy teams and to make certain investments for entertainment purposes only. And because I find the interface so disagreeable. Before I spent 95% of my time on Yahoo. It had most everything I wanted in a clear, intuitive and familiar format. My time on Yahoo is probably down to 50% now -- and that includes my frequent visits to the Canadian site.

For the first time in more than a decade, I'm running fantasy teams on sites other than Yahoo. For football, I have three teams, one on Yahoo, one on Fox, one on NFL.com. Decided to try other providers because I didn't like the direction Yahoo was going. I'm sure I'm not the only one to have defected. I would be interested to see Yahoo's web traffic stats for sports pages since the upgrade e.g. time on site, pages viewed, unique visitors, destination URLS and so forth.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I can't believe those numbers are positive.

Reverting to the old format, and then rolling out user-validated improvements incrementally, would cut the losses. Stop the bleeding. Arrest the churn. It's just hard to believe some of these anti-improvements were tested by users. I know Yahoo Fantasy Sports used to have a strong user feedback program. A team from Yahoo Fantasy Sports visited me at my place in San Francisco 10 or so years ago and spent several hours going thru what I liked, what I didn't etc. even filming the session on video and compensating my time with a modest check. Ha, the feedback I could give now on this "upgrade" !! %-6

There's nothing wrong with admitting you made a mistake. It builds trust and loyalty. It shows you listen to the user community, and that you pay very close attention to your product with a commitment to excellence. The product offered now is far, far short of excellent.
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Re: Touching base/taking requests re: Yahoo! Fantasy Basebal

Postby Fantasy Sports Genie » Sat Sep 21, 2013 11:34 am

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Here's a feature that could be improved with additional data: Make available in fantasy baseball not just pitching probables for the next day, but for the next three or four days. That would be extremely valuable for streaming. Now with player pages no longer showing an SP's next scheduled start, I find myself going to the Canadian site to get that information, and -- bad for Yahoo -- going to other, competing sites of ESPN MLB Fox Sporting News and so forth.

That has been available for as long as I can remember, and hasn't changed recently. On the team page, click the Opponents tab. On the Players page, set the Stats filter to Opponents. This shows probable starters as far out as data is available, which is as you say the next 3 or 4 days.
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Re: Touching base/taking requests re: Yahoo! Fantasy Basebal

Postby Skin Blues » Sat Sep 21, 2013 1:52 pm

Maybe he means when browsing available players. There's an option for "show tomorrow's probable SPs", which is great for lots of leagues I'm sure. But in leagues with continuous waivers, and moves don't process until 4 AM or whatever, it's useless since you can't add them in time for the game to count. You have to manually scroll through all of the pages to see who starts 2 days from now. And you can't look at their stats at the same time, like you can when you select "show tomorrow's probable pitchers". It's only a minor thing and I guess those leagues could change it to "daily - today". But it would still be very useful to have a filter for probable pitcher's on any given date.
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Re: Touching base/taking requests re: Yahoo! Fantasy Basebal

Postby The Artful Dodger » Sat Sep 21, 2013 8:43 pm

AdvRider wrote:I seriously suggest this, Yahoo -- go back to the old format. You said you wouldn't, but it's time to rethink that. Admit to yourselves this "upgrade" was not ready for prime time. Then, iteratively roll out group-tested and validated improvements that are agreed / proven to enhance the user experience. And do so with a top-line principle of presenting more data -- not less. One example, the "new" MLB scoreboard, and team scores/schedules, present a lot less information than the old pages (still intact on the Canadian pages).


Realistically, Yahoo won't switch back to the old UI. The other Yahoo destination sites follow more or less the same design template, which reflects Yahoo's ongoing re-branding phase. I'm not a fan of the Yahoo changes in their implementation, but I don't fault the thought behind it.

I don't think it's too difficult to see Yahoo redesigned Yahoo Sports for the casual user rather than for the data-driven fantasy sports player. That might explain an emphasis on a more streamlined design rather than one that simply crams as much information there is to fit. Personally, I found the old Yahoo Sports too cumbersome to scan and read through. (Come to think of it, I find few news sites that are ideal for reading, scanning and navigating through.) Player pages weren't evenly spaced out and the typeface was too small. Not to mention, the old Yahoo was ugly, dated, and needed a rethink, especially when the design language of the web is experiencing something of a paradigm shift.

Ultimately, every design is judged by whether or not it helps as many users achieve their goals. The trickiest thing about design - let alone a holistic redesign of a preexisting product - is to present information in a new way (and look good too) that doesn't disrupt a user's workflow and manages to solve old/new problems (even those the user isn't consciously aware of). Users generally prefer familiarity and detest risk, such that they can flow through a site or app on autopilot, which makes it difficult to change their minds there's possibly a better way to work. Again, Yahoo's idea in design is good, but the implementation wasn't as good. It's built on flat and almost flat design principles which aren't really well thought out with regards to Yahoo Sports.

I think certain features that some users rely on the Yahoo Sports pages for, should go into the Yahoo Fantasy Baseball product instead (i.e. pitcher's history vs. team, hitter's history vs. pitcher).
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