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Re: Touching base/taking requests re: Yahoo! Fantasy Basebal

Postby Guy Smiley » Fri Sep 13, 2013 2:42 pm

AdvRider wrote:Here's yet another unwelcome change to the new site.

The old site used to (and the Canadian site still does) show the score of a game in a rain delay, while noting the delayed status.

I go to check the score of today's Natinals vs. Mets contest and what do I find?

That the game is in rain delay... and nothing more, not the score I was looking for.

In fact, the score is tied 1-1, but the anti-upgrade Yahoo site leaves that data conspicuously absent.

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Sigh. Completely agree. I have sent this along.
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Re: Touching base/taking requests re: Yahoo! Fantasy Basebal

Postby Guy Smiley » Fri Sep 13, 2013 2:48 pm

Knights wrote:
Guy Smiley wrote:In general comments like "it sucks" don't help. They may be true but there isn't much we can do with them. Comments asking for specific pieces of data to be displayed, where you would like to see them, examples of things you like as models, are all super helpful. They are specific and the team can take action on them. This doesn't mean everything asked for happens--you know that from Genie already--but you greatly increase your chance if you provide specifics.


One thing I'd like to see come back is a player's fielding stats by position, which used to appear in details on their Career Stats page. It would list the number of games they appeared in the field at each position and their defensive stats at that position.

While I never used that to study defensive stats, I did use it to determine a player’s position eligibility for the next season... I play in a keeper league, so I take next year's eligibility into account during trade talks, and also use it a lot in the off-season for draft prep work.

Under the new layout, the players fielding stats by position now appears towards the bottom of the player home page, but it only lists 1 position per player per season. For example, Brett Lawrie's player page lists his defensive/positional stats as only a 2B despite the fact that he only played 6 games there this season.

I am aware that under the Players header at the top of the Yahoo Baseball pages there is a line to "Position Eligibility," but that only shows if a player is eligible or not for the current season... not where he'll continue to hold eligibility for next season. For example, Mark Trumbo will not retain his 3B eligibility next season, but there's no way (as far as I know) to know that based on the Position Eligibility pages nor the new/updated player pages.

Not sure if I'm going to be in the minority in terms of my constant usage of positional eligibility research like this, but if's there's some way to re-incorporate it back into Yahoo I would find it very helpful!

Maybe even an addition (or sub-page) to the current Position Eligibility page where it can show not only an 'E' for positions where a player is eligible, but also list the number of games each player has played at each position in the current season. Maybe this wouldn’t be as big as a task, given that the table currently already shows the number of games played or started up until the point where the player meets eligibility criteria and the number is replace by a simple ‘E.’ Would there be a way to change it to ‘E (25)’ meaning that the player has eligibility has played a total of 25 games at that position in the current season? Then, in the case of Trumbo from above, his Position Eligibility at 3B for this season would read ‘E (1)’ to show that he’s eligible at 3B (based on last year’s games played), but that he’s only played 1 game at 3B this year so those of us in keepers can be aware that he won’t be 3B-eligible next season.



Knights, I have passed along the request for higher visibility for defensive stats. Good call-out. Again, I don't have any control over theses 'editorial' pages. I also like the call-out for position eligibility with fantasy baseball. To answer a question asked by another Cafe member, I will be adding a thread about feature requests for baseball 2014. For now, lets stay focused on issues with the game in this season.
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Re: Touching base/taking requests re: Yahoo! Fantasy Basebal

Postby West » Fri Sep 13, 2013 5:55 pm

bigh0rt wrote:Your rational and reasonable thoughts have no place round here. This is a place where bitching and moaning is classified as constructive criticism. This is the future thread where people will wonder, "hey, where did Guy Smiley go?" And be completely aloof as to why he no longer visits the Cafe. This, my friend, is not the droid you were looking for. There's no room on the soapbox for you. ;-7


Artful Dodger made some nice counter points to what I was saying. There is a place for dark backgrounds in some instances.

I'm sorry, was I bitching and moaning? I would not say so. Some on here are going to all this trouble to classify different problems with the system. That's great for those that have the time. I have a background in advertising and style formatting. I know what works and what doesn't. I look at the format and see a failure from top to bottom. It's busy, it's confusing, you cannot find useful information quickly. I am not going into detail about what is wrong because the very CORE of the format is wrong. You cannot fix it without revamping it and simplifying it.

If you want me to go into detail, just scratching the surface: You do not need a baseball field in the background of the player pages. You can't use a black background when the whole point of the player page is to find information quickly and move on. They eliminated many of the helpful features of the player page, such as a SP's next start (already mentioned). etc, etc....

The people who created the team and player pages should hear that their format is a failure in no uncertain terms. How else will you fix a system that needs to be completely uprooted, simplified and launched again?

You think that Mark Zuckerberg or Peter Thiel sit around and worry about people's feelings when they come up with terrible work? No, they get rid of them and find someone who knows what they are doing. Why is Guy Smiley going to run away and hide because we are being honest with him? He should not be offended because the development of this had nothing to do with him.
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Re: Touching base/taking requests re: Yahoo! Fantasy Basebal

Postby The Artful Dodger » Fri Sep 13, 2013 7:20 pm

For those who don't think Yahoo does beta testing:

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If you open new incognito tabs in your browser, you might see a test frontpage for Yahoo sports. It works in Chrome. (FWIW, if memory serves, I saw everyone's favorite current design of Yahoo Sports about a week before release.)

EDIT: Maybe they reverted to the old site because the old scoreboard is back. I can't recall what the old Yahoo Sports looked like. :-B
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Re: Touching base/taking requests re: Yahoo! Fantasy Basebal

Postby J35J » Sat Sep 14, 2013 11:57 am

West wrote: I look at the format and see a failure from top to bottom. It's busy, it's confusing, you cannot find useful information quickly. I am not going into detail about what is wrong because the very CORE of the format is wrong. You cannot fix it without revamping it and simplifying it.


100% agree.
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Re: Touching base/taking requests re: Yahoo! Fantasy Basebal

Postby TheTrith » Sat Sep 14, 2013 5:28 pm

On both the football Player Listing page and the Transaction Trends page, bye weeks are nowhere to be found.
Bye week is one of the most important pieces of information to have when adding a player, and there is no reason not to have it displayed prominently on every page where a player can be added.

2) When you are on the main league page you must hover over the "Team" link to activate the drop down menu which displays:
    Roster
    Player Updates
    Watch List
    Team Log
    Edit team Info
However when you are actually on your own tam page, thoe link to edit team info is completely absent. Hovering over the "Team" link does nothing from there.
Which means from a touch screen mobile device, you simply cannot access the page to edit team info AT ALL. Big problem.

3) When playing in multiple leagues, it would be awesome if your team name (or at least the **league name!) was displayed on all the pages. Most people have multiple teams and multiple tabs open at once, so when you get to the player listing page for example, you have no idea which league you are in.
** would be great if yahoo allowed every owner to customize the league name for his own view. when playing in multiple pay leagues its impossible to tell which league "Yahoo 1234567" actually is
and then display the league on ALL pages - player listings, transaction trends, etc.


So the Edit Team Info link here:
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is NOT available here:
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These are all things that are totally obvious and should have been included in the initial release, butbarring that should have been noticed + corrected long before the season started.
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Re: Touching base/taking requests re: Yahoo! Fantasy Basebal

Postby Skin Blues » Sat Sep 14, 2013 5:43 pm

J35J wrote:
West wrote: I look at the format and see a failure from top to bottom. It's busy, it's confusing, you cannot find useful information quickly. I am not going into detail about what is wrong because the very CORE of the format is wrong. You cannot fix it without revamping it and simplifying it.


100% agree.

Yep. It would be really hard to salvage the new format, unfortunately.

Using more border/grid lines would stop everything from looking like giant, badly formatted blobs of text. The space is used very poorly, being jammed with large and useless information/graphics. I shouldn't need to scroll down to the bottom of every page to get to the useful information.

And I'm sure there are thousands of places where people are complaining about the football layout, but as a hockey fan I came across this thread today which might be of interest to Guy Smiley to pass along. It's pretty much the same reaction as here. 17 people posted to complain, and 1 person was neutral, essentially saying "change happens, deal with it".

Awful!!!!! ... I am not impressed at all ... any way to change how the Yahoo pages look or are we stuck ... Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ... Too much colour! ... Its terrible, hard to read, just brutal!!! ... Takes longer to load and is twice as ugly ... this B.S. change by yahoo that does absolutely NO GOOD to anyone trying to navigate for scores, stats, and even articles ... Terrible, these guys don't get it ! ... I lost all my notes in the memo after the update ... initial league layout looks terrible as well ... Looks awful. Why did they have to go mess with a simple and clean design ... Brutal ... Yahoo just keeps piling on the things that I don't like about it. ESPN is superior to Yahoo is almost every facet ... they do appear to be open to feedback, so go and add your complaints and ideas to improve the new look and feel ... I want to leave a league before draft tomorrow and I can't figure out how with new format


You get the idea...
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Re: Touching base/taking requests re: Yahoo! Fantasy Basebal

Postby ayebatter » Sun Sep 15, 2013 12:03 am

TheTrith wrote:On both the football Player Listing page and the Transaction Trends page, bye weeks are nowhere to be found.
Bye week is one of the most important pieces of information to have when adding a player, and there is no reason not to have it displayed prominently on every page where a player can be added.




Five pages back.... ;-D

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ayebatter wrote:On to football :-P nowhere on my team page does it list the players bye weeks (at least I can't find it).

Click on the Opponents tab; that is where the Bye week has always been available on the team page. It is an interesting question whether it deserves to be elevated so that it is always visible on the page; only so much real estate on that page, and lots of things the space could be used for.
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Re: Touching base/taking requests re: Yahoo! Fantasy Basebal

Postby Fantasy Sports Genie » Sun Sep 15, 2013 3:41 am

Well, he was asking about different pages; the Players page and the Transaction Trends page under Research. And he makes an interesting point that while it is unclear whether Bye Week is a first class citizen on your Team page, it is easier to believe that it might be on the pages he mentions, since they are largely used for adding players. The Transaction Trends page in particular just doesn't have much information on it, but some of the information it has could be really deceptive in the absence of Bye Week. A guy is getting dropped a ton, but it might just be because he's on a Bye. I still don't think it is a slam dunk that it belongs on those pages, but as a user I'd definitely prefer it on Transaction Trends and possibly on the Players page (where it can be found by changing the Stats dropdown to Opponents).
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Re: Touching base/taking requests re: Yahoo! Fantasy Basebal

Postby BigMike88 » Sun Sep 15, 2013 10:40 am

Maybe I'm missing something but I've noticed when I'm on the My Team and Matchup pages in both Football and Hockey that nowhere does it tell me what league I'm looking at, it used to show it at the top left above the League tab. I know this is minor but it was helpful to me as I'm usually in a few leagues and I like to quickly flip through my teams just before the games start each day and sometimes a quick look to remember which league I'm looking at is needed.
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