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Re: Touching base/taking requests re: Yahoo! Fantasy Basebal

Postby collective » Mon Jul 22, 2013 12:35 pm

Any explanation on the Urrutia debacle?
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Re: Touching base/taking requests re: Yahoo! Fantasy Basebal

Postby J35J » Mon Jul 22, 2013 1:56 pm

collective wrote:Any explanation on the Urrutia debacle?


Fantasy Sports Genie on 07/12 wrote:This is as good a place as any to note that I am again on vacation next week. So if you have any problems that need prompt attention, please go through our customer care channels.


Not sure if he's still on Vaca or not, but if you need an immediate answer you may want to contact Yahoo themselves.
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Re: Touching base/taking requests re: Yahoo! Fantasy Basebal

Postby Fantasy Sports Genie » Mon Jul 22, 2013 2:14 pm

I just got back, and learned what happened.

The intent was to add a few people into the game ASAP (presumably including Urrutia). I was out of town on vacation, as was another key guy. So a relatively new engineer tried to figure out how to do it. And mostly did an admirable job of figuring it out, but missed an important detail, causing a window of time when Urrutia would have appeared as a free agent before going onto waivers.

Human error. Our bad. At this point we can only offer apologies, and I can assure you that the guy in question now better understands how this works. It isn't a bug that can repeat itself.
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Re: Touching base/taking requests re: Yahoo! Fantasy Basebal

Postby TheTrith » Mon Jul 22, 2013 2:31 pm

Thanks for clarifying Genie. Appreciate the extra time you put in here.

So does Yahoo have any input on which players are added and when that occurs? Or is it 100% decided by your stat provider?
If not, is it possible that Yahoo has more say in the player data base in the future?
It seems like the people who work on and use the product on a daily basis (yourself and your co-workers for example) have a much better grasp on who is/will be fantasy relevant in the near future than the provider does.

Again, thanks for taking the time to answer questions here ;-D
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Re: Touching base/taking requests re: Yahoo! Fantasy Basebal

Postby collective » Mon Jul 22, 2013 2:43 pm

Fantasy Sports Genie wrote:I just got back, and learned what happened.

The intent was to add a few people into the game ASAP (presumably including Urrutia). I was out of town on vacation, as was another key guy. So a relatively new engineer tried to figure out how to do it. And mostly did an admirable job of figuring it out, but missed an important detail, causing a window of time when Urrutia would have appeared as a free agent before going onto waivers.

Human error. Our bad. At this point we can only offer apologies, and I can assure you that the guy in question now better understands how this works. It isn't a bug that can repeat itself.


Interesting... In one of my leagues he is on waivers until the 23rd but in two others he was available immediately...
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Re: Touching base/taking requests re: Yahoo! Fantasy Basebal

Postby Fantasy Sports Genie » Mon Jul 22, 2013 4:34 pm

collective wrote:
Fantasy Sports Genie wrote:I just got back, and learned what happened.

The intent was to add a few people into the game ASAP (presumably including Urrutia). I was out of town on vacation, as was another key guy. So a relatively new engineer tried to figure out how to do it. And mostly did an admirable job of figuring it out, but missed an important detail, causing a window of time when Urrutia would have appeared as a free agent before going onto waivers.

Human error. Our bad. At this point we can only offer apologies, and I can assure you that the guy in question now better understands how this works. It isn't a bug that can repeat itself.


Interesting... In one of my leagues he is on waivers until the 23rd but in two others he was available immediately...

Without being able to look, I'd guess that the league where he went straight to waivers almost has to be using continuous waivers.

Someone else asked if we can determine who is in the game, and the answer is... it depends. Without going into too much detail, each player eventually has a unique ID. If a player has a unique ID, we can force them into the game on our own. You can see the players that are only in the game because we forced them by going to:

http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1/showforced

Now. Sometimes a guy is interesting, but the provider has not yet given him a player ID. When this happens, we can ask them to please assign the player such a number. Sometimes/often they say yes and do so. But not always; for example, they are not willing to do so for all 40 man rosters.
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Re: Touching base/taking requests re: Yahoo! Fantasy Basebal

Postby Skin Blues » Mon Jul 22, 2013 4:49 pm

Half of the problems I see people complaining about could be solved by going to a new provider, or doing some kind of internal development to maintain player databases on your own. Obviously that's easier said than done, but something has to give. A company that big shouldn't have issues like this just because it's key engineer is on vacation, which is what seems to be the cause of these last few incidents. Can't they make like, 5 clones of you or something?
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Re: Touching base/taking requests re: Yahoo! Fantasy Basebal

Postby Fantasy Sports Genie » Mon Jul 22, 2013 6:18 pm

Skin Blues wrote:Half of the problems I see people complaining about could be solved by going to a new provider, or doing some kind of internal development to maintain player databases on your own. Obviously that's easier said than done, but something has to give. A company that big shouldn't have issues like this just because it's key engineer is on vacation, which is what seems to be the cause of these last few incidents. Can't they make like, 5 clones of you or something?

As much as it might make me feel good if all the problems were solved when I was around, much of that has really been coincidence. This problem is unusual in that regard.

As for the provider, as with half of the problems people complain about here (at least), "that's easier said than done" is really the answer. There are very few sources in the world for the data we need, and it isn't cheap to buy or do yourself. When people say, "You should spin up your own data provider, and I don't want to pay to play.", things start to break down.
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Re: Touching base/taking requests re: Yahoo! Fantasy Basebal

Postby Skin Blues » Mon Jul 22, 2013 6:50 pm

Fantasy Sports Genie wrote:There are very few sources in the world for the data we need, and it isn't cheap to buy or do yourself. When people say, "You should spin up your own data provider, and I don't want to pay to play.", things start to break down.

Almost all of Yahoo's revenue comes from advertising. Billions and billions every year. Google has shown that business model can be pretty successful. You take it out of one pocket or the other, either way they get paid. The free fantasy baseball business model is far more lucrative than any pay-to-play service. How much profit does Yahoo/ESPN make from fantasy sports versus the NFBC or CBS?? It shouldn't be that hard to monetize a service that has/had such a huge market share and daily web traffic. Again, easier said than done, I know. But pretending that people aren't valuable customers just because they don't pay cash up front doesn't really help.
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Re: Touching base/taking requests re: Yahoo! Fantasy Basebal

Postby Fantasy Sports Genie » Mon Jul 22, 2013 7:03 pm

Skin Blues wrote:
Fantasy Sports Genie wrote:There are very few sources in the world for the data we need, and it isn't cheap to buy or do yourself. When people say, "You should spin up your own data provider, and I don't want to pay to play.", things start to break down.

Almost all of Yahoo's revenue comes from advertising. Billions and billions every year. Google has shown that business model can be pretty successful. You take it out of one pocket or the other, either way they get paid. The free fantasy baseball business model is far more lucrative than any pay-to-play service. How much profit does Yahoo/ESPN make from fantasy sports versus the NFBC or CBS?? It shouldn't be that hard to monetize a service that has/had such a huge market share and daily web traffic. Again, easier said than done, I know. But pretending that people aren't valuable customers just because they don't pay cash up front doesn't really help.

You could read that into my response, but it certainly doesn't reflect my opinion or intentions. Of course our customers are valuable. But again, this is all easier said than done, particularly with insight into how much money we bring in, how we bring it in, what it would cost to spin up our own stats service, etc. etc.
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