kab21 wrote:I've never said that I think K's are meaningless. You've said that K's are meaningless. I've said that K's are alright if there are a lot of BB's (and power) to go along with them. Which returns us to K:BB...
I have also said that K's are meaningful in fantasy because K's have a good correlation to BA. that stat is overrated in real life though.
here's what you said exactly I copied and pasted:
"You directly said that K:BB is meaningless. Nobody said that K's were meaningful
but somehow you think you are right because you posted an article showing that half of the K:BB equation is meaningless. K:BB is actually an outstanding stat to evaluate players with.
So that lead me to believe you were arguing in favor of K/BB as a stat without K's being important. Call me old fashioned, but I tend to respond with what people write.
In other words, a player with a lot of strikeouts is trading them off for a better BABIP.
This is not true. BAPIP is influenced by many things but number of K's is not one of the biggest contributors.
Without crunching the numbers I find it very hard to believe there is a correlation to strikeouts and extra base hits without having a correlation between strikeouts and BABIP. It just makes sense.
willingham has had a herniated disc that has flared up in other seasons. I consider that something to be concerned about for a long time especially when a player is his mid 30's.
His main injury in 2010 was his knee. Anyways, you are completely avoiding some of my points. He DID average 130 games in 6 seasons. He generally went for real cheap. A lot of injury plagued guys went for a lot more. Nelson Cruz, CA-Rod etc. This can not be purely based on logic can it?
E6 has played 6 seasons in the Rogers Centre and Great American SmallPark. I refuse to believe that he hasn't always hit in hitter friendly ballparks. If anything he faces better pitching now.
The purpose of looking at his ballpark is not to devalue his value in the past. The purpose is to look at the RC as a hedge and assign him extra value based on playing in a hitters park. His numbers should always be somewhat decent based on that alone, which gives him extra upside.
Let me ask you a question, if Josh Willinham goes up for bid for a buck next year are you going to pay it or assume he gets injured again?
I paid more than a buck for Willingham last year so it's a silly question. I guess I'm unimpressed by the quality of leagues that you play in since you are claiming that E6, Willingham and earlier Ortiz were getting picked in the last rd. it appears that I liked Willingham more than you did this year.
Willingham was picked 189th (by me) and 215th. E6 was picked 188th and 186th.[/quote]
This has nothing to do with anything. Look at the average ranking of Willingham, E6 and Ortiz and compare their rankings with Hosmer and Lawrie and ask yourself if this difference is justifiable on stats alone. That's the entire point.
Since you took Willingham and paid more than a dollar for him, (And I'm assuming you didn't pay 30+ for Lawrie) than I really don't see why you even bothered arguing with me in the first place.