What you're doing is awarding the MVP to MCab, not for what he did, but for what his teammates did. Baseball is not a 1-player sport. Detroit is not in the playoffs because of MCab, they are in the playoffs because of their entire roster. The Angels aren't NOT in the playoffs because of Trout, they aren't in the playoffs because their roster didn't win enough games.
No. I'm saying MCab should have the MVP for two reasons:
1. He just achieved one of the most prestigious and difficult milestones in all of baseball, the triple crown.
2. He helped his team make the playoffs, which is the goal of the regular season.
1. No debate there. We can argue over the actual usefulness of the Triple Crown all day but it is clearly a very hard milestone to achieve based on the fact that nobody has done it in 45 years. Cabrera had a great season and no one is saying otherwise.
2. He helped his team win games, and as a by-product that led them to the playoffs as they won their division. Trout helped the Angels win more games than Cabrera did for the Tigers, but missed out on the playoffs by technicality. Cabrera doesn't receive sole credit for his team making the playoffs, it's a team achievement.
BronXBombers51 wrote:The MVP isn't a team award, it's an individual award. Mike Trout had a better season and contributed to more WINS than MCab did. Why should Trout be penalized because his teammates didn't play as well as MCab's did? Why should MCab be rewarded for having better teammates?
Trout contributed to more wins. Wow. Now he's watching the playoffs from a couch. So his wins mean all of.... nothing.
Once again, you're diminishing Trout's stats because his teammates weren't good enough to help the Angels make the playoffs. And you're rewarding Cabrera for having teammates that were good enough to get Detroit to the playoffs. Is having better teammates a skill? Why is Cabrera being rewarded for playing on a better team? Switch MCab and Trout and the Tigers would have won more games and the Angels less...how exactly is MCab more valuable?
BronXBombers51 wrote:And by the way, as I write this I remember that the Angels won more games than the Tigers did anyway. It was technicality that the Tigers made the playoffs and Angels didn't. So in this case, you're not even rewarding MCab for having a better team, you're rewarding him for the ineptness of the other teams in the AL Central and punishing Trout for the better teams of the AL West.
Oh darn. So life isn't all neat and clean like statistics? Get over it.
So then you're admitting that it's flawed? But you're giving MCab the MVP anyway? You're the one basing this on what team makes the playoffs, which has no point when determining an individual award. Why don't we give Robinson Cano the MVP...he was the best player on the Yankees and they won more games than any other AL team...he must be the most valuable since his team won 7 more games than MCab's did, right?
BronXBombers51 wrote:It makes no sense. The best player is also the most valuable player. Bar none.
Clearly false. Look at the history of MVP awards, often times the best player is not selected.
So you're saying that every player who has ever won the MVP has actually
been the most valuable baseball player that year? Come on man. How can anyone be more valuable than the BEST PLAYER?! It's the most ridiculous argument ever. If you're the BEST...then you contributed the MOST VALUE. It doesn't matter if you have an all-star squad around you and win 110 games or have the Astros around you and win 50...you as an INDIVIDUAL player, have the most value of any single baseball player in the league.
What doesn't make sense is that you don't seem to understand that fantasy baseball is different from regular baseball.
In fantasy baseball the MVP is the best player, period. That's because we only deal with statistics and statistics are what lead us to the playoffs and the championship. So the best player is obviously the most valuable player because... the best player puts up the best numbers.
In regular baseball there's actually a game being played with actual people who are not made entirely out of mathematical statistics. Hence the concept of value cannot be reduced to numbers as numbers often don't correlate with victory. Instead, value is derived from the purpose of the game and how a player effects a team in relationship to the achievement of this purpose.
Since the purpose of the regular season is to get into the postseason, the most valuable player is one who most helped his team do so.
What you don't seem to understand is that I'm not talking about fantasy baseball at all. I could care less where Trout ranked in fantasy baseball...his 5x5 totals mean just as little to me as Cabrera's do. If I were arguing over fantasy stats then I'd be giving MCab A LOT more consideration than I'd give him for the AL MVP.
In regards to your final sentence there...again...why not give the MVP to a player on a team that won the most games then? If all that matters is winning, then why would a player from a team who won THE LEAST amount of games of ANY AL playoff team win the MVP? Cano was the Yankees best player and he helped them get to 95 wins, which gave them the AL East and the best record. Why does Cabrera deserve it over him?