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Re: Matt Harvey: Legit Ace?

Postby ensanimal » Tue May 07, 2013 11:33 pm

GiantsFan14 wrote:Sell high.


I may have sold him one start to early. Got Holliday for him after his last start, wonder what I could've had now? :-?
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Re: Matt Harvey: Legit Ace?

Postby rjforlife » Wed May 08, 2013 12:31 am

ensanimal wrote:
GiantsFan14 wrote:Sell high.


I may have sold him one start to early. Got Holliday for him after his last start, wonder what I could've had now? :-?



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Re: Matt Harvey: Legit Ace?

Postby kab21 » Wed May 08, 2013 1:28 am

So I think he will hit a rough patch at some point this summer/fall but where does he rank in dynasty leagues. There are still at least 5 no doubters above him and another 5-10 guys but there aren't that many pitchers that I would trade Harvey for right now.
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Re: Matt Harvey: Legit Ace?

Postby bayside » Wed May 08, 2013 1:31 am

Ender wrote:I still want to see him face a real offense, yet again he faces one of the bottom 3 offenses in the league. He now has 7 starts and all 7 are against bottom 10 offenses and 6 of 7 were in pitchers parks. At the time of each start I think all but 1 team was in the bottom 5 in runs scored at the time.

First of all, he is going to keep facing bad offenses so quit trying to use that to rationalize your stance.
3 of the teams in his division are all in the bottom 7 in scoring in MLB - Phillies, Nats, and Marlins. Good chance he faces them all again I'd say.
The other team in his division, ATL, is only average (#14) and they also K more than anyone so also a great matchup.
And the rest of the NL? Pretty mediocre with the exception of Col and Mil who the Mets play a combined 3 series against total the rest of the year.
Matchups are not going to be much of an issue.


Secondly, have you watched him pitch?
It seems pretty obvious that his stuff is some of the very best in all of baseball.
Among all starting pitchers only Strasburg has a better fastball, and nobody throws a harder slider. His changeup is filthy, and so far it has literally been unhittable.
Its totally obvious that hes not going to maintain 1.3 ERA or a 0.8 WHIP but he is a legitimately elite starter.
I dont care if hes faced the Astros 7 times - the talent is real and it is immense.

he is no more of a sell high than any other good pitcher off to a great start, and since he has the stuff and peripherals to back it up more than any of the other "sell highs"... well youd better get a haul for him.

So what is it, really, that you dont like about him?
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Matt Harvey: Legit Ace?

Postby JMR162; » Wed May 08, 2013 6:31 am

I haven't seen him pitch but I had my doubts about him until I started lookin into the numbers. I did use the kris medlen type argument to acquire him before his start last night. Owner trading him was none too happy afterwards lol. I have up zobrist, fowler, Parnell and Tilman for Alcides Escobar Matt carpenter and Harvey.
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Re: Matt Harvey: Legit Ace?

Postby bigh0rt » Wed May 08, 2013 8:48 am

Best part about this for me is that he went 9 innings, struck out 12... on just 105 pitches. 76 strikes. Looks filthy as ever. Could not be happier to own this guy in my keeper for the next three seasons, or that he is a New York Met.
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Re: Matt Harvey: Legit Ace?

Postby Ender » Wed May 08, 2013 9:03 am

bayside wrote:

he is no more of a sell high than any other good pitcher off to a great start, and since he has the stuff and peripherals to back it up more than any of the other "sell highs"... well youd better get a haul for him.

So what is it, really, that you dont like about him?


His inability to throw strikes, bad offenses flail away and get themselves out for him but when he faces a good offense I think he is going to really struggle. He is a good pitcher regardless but the question is, is he a legit ace and my answer is no until I see him play a good offense. I also don't expect the Nats to continue to struggle. Harvey has managed to face teams that were struggling at the time 7 starts in a row. It is just hard for me to judge just how good he is when everything has been so favorable for him so far.
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Re: Matt Harvey: Legit Ace?

Postby bigh0rt » Wed May 08, 2013 9:32 am

Change is unhittable.
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Re: Re: Matt Harvey: Legit Ace?

Postby Izenhart » Wed May 08, 2013 10:41 am

The biggest difference I see with Harvey is last year he lived up in the zone more, this year he seems to be down in the zone. During the game last night he was showing the reporter how he holds certain pitches and what he expects from each pitch, so when he needs a groundball he knows what to throw. Smart guy with good stuff, has surely progressed since he came up as a rookie. If he's not an ace who is?
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Re: Re: Matt Harvey: Legit Ace?

Postby bigh0rt » Wed May 08, 2013 10:45 am

garf112 wrote:
bigh0rt wrote:Best part about this for me is that he went 9 innings, struck out 12... on just 105 pitches. 76 strikes. Looks filthy as ever. Could not be happier to own this guy in my keeper for the next three seasons, or that he is a New York Met.


After everyone was so worried that he threw 120 pitches last time out.

Ender will only be impressed when he faces the Big Red Machine, 1927 Yankees, MLB lowers the mound for his starts, and he throws a complete game shutout in the All-Star game.

I completely understand wanting to see how he fares against a formidable opponent. Not his fault who he's matched up against. He did, however, pitch great against Washington, the heavy NL favorite heading into the season. From a fantasy standpoint, I hope he just keeps facing bum offenses. Fine by me. What I like, though, is not that he's just looking alright or even very good against weaker offenses. He's dominating them like an A+ pitcher should. You can't claim anything otherwise. When he faces a good offense, we'll see what he does, but for now, he isn't just going out and getting outs and moving along, he's dominating and mowing batters down and mixing his pitches incredibly well, and basically doing everything you'd like to see a high end pitcher do. I do think that he would be getting more of the benefit of the doubt if he were a higher rated prospect and had shown this level of dominance throughout his minor league career. I'm all for cautious optimism. I, however, have seen every pitch the kid has thrown in his entire MLB career, and am completely sold. Part of it is certainly Mets' homerism and excitement, but this kid's got the goods. I was surprised by it last season, and even more so early this season, but now I'm starting to believe that he can be a very high level pitcher. He's got the stuff, and the ability to mix them well to keep hitters off balance. He's got one of the best fastballs I've seen all season, and a change up that just makes batters look foolish. Even when he hasn't had his best stuff, he's struck out plenty and still managed to pitch well. We'll see ultimately what transpires, but there's zero chance I'm selling the guy right now unless the haul I get in return is a major reliable stud bat or arm. First few round type player.
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