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Re: Matt Harvey: Legit Ace?

Postby bigh0rt » Wed Aug 22, 2012 8:19 pm

At what point do we, as Mets fans, start thrusting entirely too lofty expectations on the kid for 2013? Are we there yet? Can i start the bus??
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Re: Matt Harvey: Legit Ace?

Postby BigZ38 » Wed Aug 22, 2012 9:00 pm

I hope so, I just acquired him in a dynasty league for Burnett and Buehrle.
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Re: Matt Harvey: Legit Ace?

Postby kab21 » Wed Aug 22, 2012 9:32 pm

The big thing to watch with Harvey is whether or not the walks will get to him and if he'll continue to be able to get hitters to chase pitches. Right now he's in the top 20 in getting hitters to chase and in the bottom 20 in throwing the ball in the strikezone (Pitch FX numbers at fangraphs). I think he'll be pretty good (and traded a lot for him in a dynasty) but he might hit a few rough patches when he gets squeezed or hitters don't chase.
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Re: Matt Harvey: Legit Ace?

Postby bigh0rt » Wed Aug 22, 2012 9:44 pm

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Re: Matt Harvey: Legit Ace?

Postby J35J » Thu Aug 23, 2012 8:52 am

kab21 wrote:The big thing to watch with "any young pitcher" is whether or not the walks will get to him and if he'll continue to be able to get hitters to chase pitches.


This is pretty much a standard line for any young starter...this is usually what will make or break a young, promising talent with good stuff.
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Re: Matt Harvey: Legit Ace?

Postby Izenhart » Thu Aug 23, 2012 10:09 am

The only game I have watched him pitch this year was against the Padres, and he clearly didn't have great stuff. His fastball was up and his benders were too low and hitters weren't chasing. I held onto him anyway and am glad I did. Gonna have to watch him a bit more closely his next few starts.
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Re: Matt Harvey: Legit Ace?

Postby kab21 » Thu Aug 23, 2012 10:28 am

J35J wrote:
kab21 wrote:The big thing to watch with "any young pitcher" is whether or not the walks will get to him and if he'll continue to be able to get hitters to chase pitches.


This is pretty much a standard line for any young starter...this is usually what will make or break a young, promising talent with good stuff.


I have a bigger fear when that pitcher had only okay (10%) BB rates in the minors and counts on hitters chasing balls outside of the zone.
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Re: Matt Harvey: Legit Ace?

Postby Skin Blues » Thu Aug 23, 2012 10:49 am

I don't see anything pointing to him relying on getting batters to chase, any more than every other pitcher does. He gets lots of swings and misses on pitches is the zone, and his chase rate is merely league average (33%). He's simply been really good. I'd be concerned about how much he improved over both his minor league K% and BB%, but nothing in the numbers suggests it's a fluke or unsustainable, and the scouts have liked him for a while.
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Re: Matt Harvey: Legit Ace?

Postby rjforlife » Thu Aug 23, 2012 1:06 pm

Yea I'm pretty sure most good pitchers get guys to chase because thats how you get guys out unless you are Greg Maddux or another rare perfect control guy. I like Harvey's stuff a lot, especially that he isn't afraid to pump the high heat when he needs a strike. I think his confidence is a big thing he has going for him, and trusting his stuff is really going to help him succeed, because his stuff is up there with some really good pitchers right now.
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Re: Matt Harvey: Legit Ace?

Postby bigken117 » Thu Aug 23, 2012 1:58 pm

Harvey went 2-2 last night and is now 5-11

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