labarbatron wrote:This deal isn't sweet enough on his end. Your asking him to give up 3 studs for basically CarGo.
Understandable but I disagree on the "3 studs" comment. Hosmer has excellent potential but he certainly isn't a stud at this point. So, he did reject the offer, which is understandable. He did make a counter offer but it was just a 1-for-1 trade in which he would give up Hosmer and I would give up Cole Hamels. Obviously, I rejected that trade. I think Hosmer does have value and very good potential but there is no way that I trade one of the 5 best starting pitchers for a guy with an OPS of .655 . So, he's obviously overvaluing Hosmer at this point and trying to shoot for the moon. I'm not sure that I would have done this trade even in preseason, let a lone after seeing Hosmer struggle for a couple of months.
Anyway, I've made another trade offer to him: I would give Carlos Gonzalez, Adam Dunn and Gio Gonzalez for Pujols, Harper and Hosmer.
This is the way I see it right now:
CarGo > Pujols by a hair
Harper > Adam Dunn
Gio Gonzalez > Hosmer
Obviously, that could easily be different a year from now (which we would be thinking about since this is a keeper league) but I would say that is a fair assessment today. I would value Carlos Gonzalez over Pujols by a little bit, as CarGo is younger, provides stolen bases and hasn't struggled for any prolonged stretch in recent memory. Harper is more valuable than Adam Dunn obviously (moreso in keeper formats), though Dunn has some value since he is such a great contributor in home runs and RBIs. It is just a matter of stomaching the average. I do think Gio Gonzalez is worth more than Hosmer currently, as I think Gio has elevated himself this year into the top 15 and maybe the top 10 of all starting pitchers. Hosmer again does have excellent potential but you can't ignore his struggles this season and an OPS below .700 at 1st base won't cut it. He is certainly hitting better now and I would be expecting that to continue. The question for the future with him would be if he becomes a quick developer and reaches an all-star level quickly or is it more slow, steady growth ala teammate Billy Butler (who is just now reaching all-star level numbers in his 6th season at age 26).
So, what do you guys think? Is this is a fair counter offer on my part?