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One last time...Which Keepers WHIR

Postby amarlls » Wed Mar 21, 2012 11:25 pm

Which 5 Keepers?
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Dee Gordon SS $5
Alex Gordon $5
Mike Moustakas $5
Daniel Hudson $10
Michael Pineda $5
Adam Wainwright $5
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Re: One last time...Which Keepers WHIR

Postby GiantsFan14 » Wed Mar 21, 2012 11:29 pm

alex gordon, hudson, pineda, wainwright are all locks. i'd give dee gordon the edge for the last spot but i think it's close.
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Re: One last time...Which Keepers WHIR

Postby HOOTIE » Thu Mar 22, 2012 12:04 am

I would drop Moustakis
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Re: One last time...Which Keepers WHIR

Postby BeanTown » Thu Mar 22, 2012 7:52 am

HOOTIE wrote:I would drop Moustakis


Agreed.
Easy call, Mous is the guy to drop.

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Postby kidsilk » Thu Mar 22, 2012 9:36 am

Drop Mous for sure.
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Re: One last time...Which Keepers WHIR

Postby MaudDib » Thu Mar 22, 2012 9:48 am

Dee Gordon for me. I don't think the guy gets on base enough to get you the steals. Right now I think he is being over-valued. Moustakas might not hit either but even if he struggles he will give you some HR and counting stats where as Dee's only value is SB.
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Re: One last time...Which Keepers WHIR

Postby MashinSpuds » Thu Mar 22, 2012 10:09 am

I would drop Moustakas because Dee Gordon, OBP or not, provides a good fill at a tough position. I would also rather gamble on 30-40 SB then maybe 15-20 HR from Moustakas, who by the way is another Royal. Do you want two Royals on your team (if one of them isn't Butler or Hosmer)?
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Re: One last time...Which Keepers WHIR

Postby MaudDib » Thu Mar 22, 2012 4:50 pm

MashinSpuds wrote:I would drop Moustakas because Dee Gordon, OBP or not, provides a good fill at a tough position. I would also rather gamble on 30-40 SB then maybe 15-20 HR from Moustakas, who by the way is another Royal. Do you want two Royals on your team (if one of them isn't Butler or Hosmer)?

Having guys on the same team shouldn't matter. You project a player to have certain stats and they should produce those stats unless they get hurt or something changes for them. Have two guys on the same team isn't going to mean you get less from them. The Royals are an up and coming team so they are the exact kind of players to go after. It would be like saying no to Longoria and Crawford when they first came up.
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Re: One last time...Which Keepers WHIR

Postby MashinSpuds » Thu Mar 22, 2012 8:07 pm

MaudDib wrote:
MashinSpuds wrote:I would drop Moustakas because Dee Gordon, OBP or not, provides a good fill at a tough position. I would also rather gamble on 30-40 SB then maybe 15-20 HR from Moustakas, who by the way is another Royal. Do you want two Royals on your team (if one of them isn't Butler or Hosmer)?

Having guys on the same team shouldn't matter. You project a player to have certain stats and they should produce those stats unless they get hurt or something changes for them. Have two guys on the same team isn't going to mean you get less from them. The Royals are an up and coming team so they are the exact kind of players to go after. It would be like saying no to Longoria and Crawford when they first came up.

And yet, I would be worried if you had two players depending on another (say, Hosmer) to knock them in. If Hosmer goes down then two players may suffer on your team other than just one. It's just an extra precaution, even if the odds are slim. Diversifying talent on different teams might ease such issues that may arise. Dee Gordon is still the guy to go with here anyway.
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Re: One last time...Which Keepers WHIR

Postby MaudDib » Thu Mar 22, 2012 9:36 pm

MashinSpuds wrote:
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MashinSpuds wrote:I would drop Moustakas because Dee Gordon, OBP or not, provides a good fill at a tough position. I would also rather gamble on 30-40 SB then maybe 15-20 HR from Moustakas, who by the way is another Royal. Do you want two Royals on your team (if one of them isn't Butler or Hosmer)?

Having guys on the same team shouldn't matter. You project a player to have certain stats and they should produce those stats unless they get hurt or something changes for them. Have two guys on the same team isn't going to mean you get less from them. The Royals are an up and coming team so they are the exact kind of players to go after. It would be like saying no to Longoria and Crawford when they first came up.

And yet, I would be worried if you had two players depending on another (say, Hosmer) to knock them in. If Hosmer goes down then two players may suffer on your team other than just one. It's just an extra precaution, even if the odds are slim. Diversifying talent on different teams might ease such issues that may arise. Dee Gordon is still the guy to go with here anyway.


I guess we will see if Gordon is worth it. I don't see it. I see a guy that has poor strike zone judgement, doesn't walk and has no power. This seems like a recipe for a guy that won't get on base to steal enough bases to make him worth owning in most leagues either that or the Dodgers will send him down/bench him because of it.

I have seen too many guys with this kind of makeup (maybe not with quite this speed) who just can't cut in the majors because they don't have enough hit tools.

Moustakas has shown improvement at every level including the major league level. He has good strike zone judgement although he doesn't take a walk. He hits a lot of fly balls which should result in an increase in home runs similar to what we saw the last month or two of the season. He does struggle against LHP so there is still some concern but he has the ability to hit 20-30 HR.
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