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RedBullVodka wrote:I guess what we're trying to prevent here is a team having five first/second round talents that they've picked up in lower rounds (particularly very late rounds), and those players remaining in those rounds for ever more. Those players, at the moment, are huge bargains, and are the reason why some, if not all of us, are reaching for rookies in the hope of striking gold.
At least with escalation, those players (eventually) reach the rounds they should be drafted in, and then you have to decide whether the value is there in keeping them. For some players that will still take a heck of a long time. For example, for Andrew McCutchen in round 23, it will still take six years of being kept before he reaches even Round 10, and then a further 9 years before he reaches round 1 value! Almost certainly there will be a point in which his career starts to decline, where his value doesn't warrant being kept, but at least with escalation, that might happen before it would if remains a Rd 23 player for ever.
It really effects the early / mid-round players more perhaps. For example, I have Hunter Pence in round 5 - if we had implemented this rule from the start, I would perhaps have not kept him this year, as he would have been a Rd 2 keeper. I think by implementing the rule we would get a greater turn over of these type players, although there would still be an emphasis on trying to strike gold in the later rounds perhaps.
I think it would also help to create more value in those early rounds. At the moment, most players available in the early rounds are being picked way before their true value. I don't think any of the players picked in Rd 1 this year, would be picked in Rd 1 of a re-draft league (perhaps Reyes in a 14 teamer?), and only Reyes and Bruce are even close to having the possibility of returning that value this season. I think escalation should help to put more higher value players back into the draft pot over time (if not completely change this quirk of our system).
Fade's point at how important the keeper's are to dominance in this league is interesting. He has a great set of keepers, yet hasn't so far, been competitive. Perhaps it is because, most of those keepers are from early rounds, and as such, don't represent outstanding value compared with a McCutchen in Round 23 (both that he has helped me much!)?
Or perhaps, it is because having only 5 keepers, means that they are only a small proportion of the 12 hitters / 1400 IP limit team required to win this league, and the rest of the drafted team is equally, if not more important to constructing a winning team?
RedBullVodka wrote:I think I've just written an essay, to say much the same as Fade did in a sentence.
RedBullVodka wrote:I think I've just written an essay, to say much the same as Fade did in a sentence.
Fade2White12 wrote:RedBullVodka wrote:I think I've just written an essay, to say much the same as Fade did in a sentence.
Much less impressive if it took you the 90 minutes that elapsed between your post and mine.
j24jags wrote:You bring up great points. 5 Keepers would have significantly more influence if this were a standard 9 hitter/1250 IP league. No matter how good or how bad your keepers are, your draft, trades and WW acquisitions still play a huge role in determining the ultimate outcome of the league.
RedBullVodka wrote:j24jags wrote:You bring up great points. 5 Keepers would have significantly more influence if this were a standard 9 hitter/1250 IP league. No matter how good or how bad your keepers are, your draft, trades and WW acquisitions still play a huge role in determining the ultimate outcome of the league.
I think this is what annoys me most about my three (or is it four?) years in this league. I think this is completely true, which means I have screwed up the draft each and every year. In every other league I've been in, in that time, I've always competed just about. In this one, I haven't. Rubbish!
Fade2White12 wrote:I've been thinking of what the most amicable solution may be, since it can't be changed too radically after being in place for multiple years. I think the simplest solution would be centered around either a maximum number of years a player can be kept or escalating round penalties.
For instance, we could do something like separating the draft into 3 tiers - 1-10, 11-20, 21-26. The penalty for each tier would be different until the player falls within the tier beneath. Players drafted in rounds 1-10 could increase 1 round per year, those 11-20 would increase 2, and those 21-26 would increase 3. It still rewards those who draft well in the later rounds because even with a sliding scale, they'll be at a value for many years down the line, while also helping to remedy the more obscene current keepers.
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