SecretAgentMan wrote:Depends on your league, but in my league, laisse faire nonsense allowing some one to trade an elite first or second rounder player for multiple pieces of far less talent (none of which even comes close to a top 8 round pick I might add here) is not allowed and will get vetoed. You can never prove "collusion" so unless you believe owners can do whatever they want no matter how idioitc they are, you have to draw the line somewhere and this is way over it imo. The 2 for 1 or 3 for 1 is ripe for this type of abuse imo and if you want to maintain the integrity of your league, this kind of things needs to be discouraged. This would not even be a good dump trade at the deadline for a team re-building let alone to start the season.
I tend to lean towards your side here. I never quite get the whole stance "you shouldn't veto unless its collusion". I am curious how many times some one has actually been able to prove collusion. Unless you hack someone's email account or tap their phone, you are never going to get the smoking gun where Manager A tells Manager B "Give me Kershaw for some rubbish and I'll give you $50 when I win the league".
I am not veto happy, and I am not even sure exactly how to describe my philosophy behind vetoing other than if I think the trade is offensive to the integrity of the league I would veto. In my league you need a significant majority to veto a trade, so I feel that if enough managers have a problem with the trade it should probably be reworked. That being said no-one likes Veto happy managers, I'll agree with that.
I would start by asking the managers for at least an explanation for the reason behind this trade. I think this trade is lopsided enough that you as commish are entitled to it. Just from looking at the roster, I can't see why the team trading Verlander thinks its a good move for his team at all, but maybe he can explain it to you. I would start there. The team acquiring Verlander will have Kershaw, Verlander, Greinke and Moore, that staff will beast your league!