Skin Blues wrote:You guys already have the worst crime rates and most death penalties doled out amongst first world countries, and your proposed solution is to kill more people. I assume by "done properly" you mean "done a lot more frequently and with reduced rights to those accused in the name of expediency". It's no wonder you guys are where you're at in terms of violence.... you think the solution is more violence and more guns. Good luck with that.
Yes, by "done properly" I mean done a whole lot faster. Punishing someone long after the fact doesn't deter anything or prevent future criminals from being criminals. Swift and immediate punishment is the way to go, but we've got too many people that cannot stomach what it takes in order to have a peaceful civilized society. That means quickly taking out the trash when needed.
Neato Torpedo wrote:I'll buy the "removing him from society" argument. But when it's about "justice for the families", then it becomes vengeance and then it scares me.
There's a 99% chance that this guy will be dangerous to society forever but Norway has the resources to attempt to reform him. If this was America's prison system, the chances would be functionally zero. I would not let American murderers live with me (except Tookie of course) because there's no system in place to ascertain their sanity, but there's probably convicted murderers from Scandinavia that I would let live with me. Call me crazy, but the fact of the matter is that they wouldn't let them out until they were sure that they were reformed. It's not like they serve a 21 year sentence and are set free no matter what; they stay in until they are deemed safe, and then they are set free to a life that deters them from approaching the circumstances they had when they committed the original crime.
I rarely talk about justice for the families. I'd sooner talk about fairness, and eye for an eye, or treating them the way they treated others. Most importantly it is about getting the murderer out of society permanently so as to guarantee that person will never hurt another innocent person and also to send a message to would-be criminals that if you kill someone, you will die.
I do apologize, but I'll just call you naive. There's no way I'd let anyone, and I do mean anyone on the face of this Earth convince me that a convicted murderer has been reformed and now poses no threat. People's lives are at stake and I will not endanger those I care about most.
Curtis Pride wrote:Depriving someone of their property and freedom is temporary and can be rescinded.
I disagree. Sure, you can give someone property back or an equivalent, but how do you give someone years of their life back? Or even one day? That is impossible to do. We will all die when we die, there is no way to give someone an extra day, much less extra years. Once those days or years are gone, they are gone forever.
Yes doctor, I am sick.
Sick of those who are spineless.
Sick of those who feel self-entitled.
Sick of those who are hypocrites.
Yes doctor, an army is forming.
Yes doctor, there will be a war.
Yes doctor, there will be blood.....