a few weeks back we had a discussion about your reading comprehension skills, and I stand by the theory that you either cheated your reading comp tests, or were too over prepared by mummy and daddy that you were just looking for keywords, or someway to scheme the test.Neato Torpedo wrote:wrveres wrote:okay, i spent some time reading up on the Scandinavian prison systems, and its kind of interesting to say the least. At no point did i find anything that disproved my original point, that lack of education breeds crime. As a matter of fact once imprisoned, some of these prisons actually pay the prisoners to get an education.
First off. Using percentage of population in jail, and recidivism rates, are not the tools to be using here. The crimes rates remain unchanged. The Scandinavian system actually goes out of there way to avoid putting people in prison. They'll try everything from mediation between the victim and criminal, to lots and lots of probation with ankle monitoring, anything but prison. So those rates aren't a fair comparison.
Secondly, i agree with a number things that they do. Im not talking free laptops and big screens, but for softer crimes, probation, monitoring, and an "Education" is a system i could get behind.
All of these countries still run a prison somewhere not unlike the United States, but its used for the worst offenders. Since there populations are a tiny percentage of the US, they obviously have quite a bit less of the hardened types.
One report i read claimed Finland saved $200 million over 20 years. That's nothing really. That's 10 million a year, or the equivalent yearly budget of your local McDonald's franchisee. So they aren't really saving. Something else i found is that the State itself, often pays the victim too, and im guessing that's totally different line in the budget.
Many of these "open society" prisons actually have a two to one guard to prisoner ratio, and everything is done electronically.
Another thing i found interesting, is that when a prisoner does get out of Jail, the state actually finds them a home and a job if needed, instead of letting them walk out the front door with a bus ticket. Again your dealing with a very small percentage of people here, which makes it relatively easy to manage.
Its different, i'll grant you that, and there are some things to be learned there, and many i could get behind. There are also many I could never get behind.
Even after all these changes over the last 30 years, their crime rates remain the same. They are just handled very differently.
So again ... Education is the key.
poor education breeds poverty. poverty breeds crime.
Its the same in Scandinavia cities too.
Glad to see you finally agreed.
The question started off in response to people's indignation to a sentence of only 21 years plus however long it takes for him to be ruled not dangerous. Like you said, the Yeah Government! system seems to work extremely well given the way Scandinavian countries run things. There's no reason to demand punishment or retribution if their prison system is designed to reform even the insanest of terrorists into respectable productive citizens. Gaining a productive citizen is a better outcome than not gaining one. And if they can't make a productive citizen out of him in 21 years, he stays in prison/mental hospital until he does, or until he dies.
There is no way you can read my post and come away thinking that i condone, or agree that this sicko should be given 21 years, or even be treated humanly for that matter.
I think he should be put down now. Do we really need a trial? let the healing for those families begin now. Save a few bucks, and put the SOB down.
Texas has a law on the books, something along the lines of a speedy hanging if there are three people that witnessed you killing another human being. If you really want to save some money, and cut back on the amount of people in Jail, as well as the recidivism rate, make that a federal law. ha!
Yeah, lots of murders get nominated for the award. It's one of the things that makes the Nobel Peace Prize a joke.Tookie Williams, who I always contended should have been paroled into some probation program instead of, you know, executed. I mean, the man was nominated for a freakin' Nobel Peace Prize and we still executed him.
I love lefty's ...
"Tookie dude .. he wrote children's books man, let him live."
Never-mind the hundreds of people that met their maker cus of him ...