jfg wrote:I disagree that this as organized as it can get. If you check the forums 5-10 times a day, yeah, it works. But for most people just looking for some info on a couple players it's not very user friendly having all information consolidated to a couple threads in a single forum. In my opinion, the Cafe has the most knowledgeable posters but I feel those voices get lost in massive threads or buried.
Do you mean the daily cheering/venting thread? I rarely peek into those.
The way I view it is that if there's a player of note, there's generally a thread on them along the lines of, "What's going on with X" and if you look for it, or search for it, you'll find it. There's also broader discussions such as the Future Callups thread, the Buy Low/Sell High thread, the ZiPS projections thread, and whatever else tickles people's fancy. Personally, I find these off discussions the most valuable at the Cafe. It's where I learned the concept of BABIP, xERA, ERA+, and what not. And I just don't see any need to try to force things to fit into a particular box. There's already a separate player Injury/Update forum which doesn't get used all that much. Heck, there's probably a dozen forums that don't get used all that much. The problem isn't that the Cafe needs to further sub-divide, clarify, and organize its forums. It just needs to make Leftovers more prominent. There was a whole brouhaha on this exact topic a couple of years ago on the Dark Side (or is this the Dark Side, I always forget which) but the vibe that I'm getting for you that the Cafe essentially needs a better structure for ease of perusing and should cram that down on its users seems to take its users for granted. People don't post here to make the Cafe into the Wiki of fantasy baseball. They post here to exchange ideas, vent a little, learn a little, and talk about whatever off-beat thing that is interesting them at that particular moment in time. I'm not saying that there's no limits. Leftovers is better off not cluttered with all the DTKW questions. But your regular users are not going to check into 6 forums daily to see what's new just because that's what makes sense on a flow chart. They're going to go to the 1 or 2 sub-forums which provides them the best info. And the more that you pare that down the less interest you're going to generally attract. I already linked to rotoworld's fantasy baseball site. It isn't that much better organized than Leftovers but it has a very active user base. If you check out footballguys.com their Shark Pool, which is their Leftovers equivalent, is about the same general guidelines and has an extremely active and knowledgeable user base.
At the end of the day, you can decide to design your site to cater to the n00bs and for some reason expect that everyone else will keep coming out of some allegiance to the site. Or you can design your site to cater to the knowledgeable users and attract the n00bs by giving them good info. I think the latter model would be much more successful than the first. And I'm not even calling myself a knowledgeable user. I've just been here for a while. The whole premise of this thread is, "Hey guys who have been here for a while, why don't you spend X minutes/day answering questions that have no substance and you won't get that much appreciation for, talking about something that is uninteresting to you because it helps out the Cafe." That's just backwards. People may like the Cafe but I don't think anybody really owes it anything and certainly nobody (or at least few) would keep coming here and not get anything out of it for themselves.
And this is a message board. People are going to talk about what interests them. How are you going to reorganize and structure that?
I've pretty much gone off on a long not rant but sermon, I guess, and maybe far exceeded what it is whatever you were thinking. But I would just say generally, the Cafe doesn't need more bureaucracy; it needs less. And it needs to showcase the part of the Cafe that is the most valuable. And that part is Leftovers.