Amazinz wrote:Renteria out-matches Jeter? I'm no Yankeed-lover being a Mets fan and all but lets not go overboard. Jeter is a year older then Renteria they both had their first full MLB season in '96. They both have 8 full seasons played. When you compare their offensive numbers over the last 8 seasons Renteria out-matches Jeter? No.
8 year totals:
-------------AVG HR RBI R SB
Renteria--.289 73 493 650 220
Jeter-------.317 127 608 921 178
What the hell do 8 year totals prove? As Janet (Ms. Jackson if you're nasty) Jackson said: "What have you done for me lately?"
If you consider 8 year totals then I guess Palmeiro, Vinny Castilla, and Bernie Williams are studs and Bret Boone, Renteria, and Gagne aren't.
I'm not a Yankees fan or a Cardinals fan, but Renteria's #'s don't look like a fluke to me. He beat Jeter in average last year (by a lot), and I think he will this year too. But what distinguished him from every other SS are his SB's.
Ok then, lets throw out previous years numbers for a sec. You say Rents beat Jeter in average 'by a lot'? What do you consider 'a lot'? Jeter hit .324 last year and Rents hit .330. So .006 is a lot? I don't really think so.
Here are the stats from last year so we can really have a nice discussion about them without people talking out their ass and hoping no one will notice:
Jeter: ABs: 482 Runs: 87 HRs: 10 RBIs:52 SBs: 11 Avg: .324
Rents: ABs: 587 Runs: 96 HRs: 13 RBIs: 100 SBs: 34 Avg: .330
So lets see, Rents had 105 more Abs and only put up 3 more homers. So playing over a full season I'm sure Jeter would have beat him in that department.
Rents scored 9 more runs and I don't think anyone here would argue Jeter is going to score a ton more runs in the Yankee lineup.
Rents had a ton of RBIs which is pretty impressive. But like someone already mentioned he will be hitting 2nd in the order this year and wont be getting all those RBI opps. Of course this will increase his runs.
Rents did get a lot more SBs and being in the 2 hole he'll probably run more frequently. But I alos think Jeter will run a alot more than he did last year and be around 25 steals this year. Rents will probably be around 35-40.
Now Rents beat Jeter in Avg. last year but he hit waaaayyy above his career average which should send up some signals as to why he probably wont repeat. And since Jeter always hits around the .320 marks I think Jeter repeating that average has a better chance of happening.
So let me see what I've come up with.
Jeter will score more runs, hit more homers, have a higher average and could also drive in more runs.
Renteria will steal more bases and maybe drive in more runs.
Renteria second round choice or Jeter 5th round choice? I'd take Jeter.
Barry Bonds for US president.