Art Vandelay wrote:Florida didn't "act first." According to the article, it's the only state with a law that allows for prosecution of the author of the book. Also, nobody in this thread, and with the possible exception of the author of this ridiculous book, nobody in the world, thinks child rape is okay, but nice strawman.
Drugging people and cutting them into tiny pieces is illegal (even if they are rapists). You should be arrested for advocating such things.
Every state has decency and obscenity laws, Florida isn't the only one regardless of what the article says. Maybe there is some sort of law regarding this specific matter that only Florida has, but any state could have filed against this guy.
Accusing someone of having a "strawman" argument is an acceptance that you cannot refute what is being said. Get with the times Art.
And sure, prosecute me for saying pedophiles should be tortured and killed. Toss your own "free speech" mumbo-jumbo out the window. That's the way to win your argument.
StlSluggers wrote:Did you read the story? The arresting sheriff states "the other 49 states may not be able to do anything about this", implying that Florida is the only state in the Union that carries the law they plan on enforcing. This, of course, begs the question, "If that Florida law can stop people from writing a book like this, and if everyone in the country pretty much agrees that books like this suck, then why don't the other 49 states have this law, too?" Of course, the answer is "They know its unconstitutional and would only result in rogue political officers wasting taxpayer money to pursue something which will eventually be overturned." But that didn't stop Florida, did it?
Yes, I did read the story. Read my response to Art above in this post and you'll get your answer.
StlSluggers wrote:This book doesn't involve raping a child either. I mean, I'm pretty sure he's not being arrested for raping a couple boys in preparation for writing this book. Am I wrong?
As far as I know, he isn't being prosecuted for rape (yet). However, it is the context that breaks the law.
A similar example of where the context makes a huge difference between legal and a violation of decency laws:
And in that one, they were all consenting adults, yet a company was shut down, fines were imposed, and the owners of the company went to jail.
StlSluggers wrote:You're mixing two matters. Public outrage should create laws, not create mob justice. When the masses create an overarching law (First Amendment) that supersedes a law like the one in Florida, then creation of that law is a waste of time and an attempt to enforce it based solely on public outrage is nothing less than mob rule. Something I feel you have always had a major problem accepting is that our laws often give a single, lone person the right to do something that 999,999 people don't like. That's what separates a real society from an angry, fickle mob. Sure, it sucks. I'd love to have seen that lady who was harassing that dying little girl get dragged into the street and beaten to within an inch of her life, but our laws give her the right to be an asshole.
Public outrage has already created laws. This guy isn't being prosecuted over a new law or anything.
I don't have a problem with someone being able to do something the rest of the world disagrees with, provided there are no consequences to anyone else. The minute that one person's actions cause pain, suffering, or infringes on someone else's "so-called" rights is where my issue is.
I agree that the lady you mentioned deserves to have bad things happen to her, and last I heard, bad things have happened to her as a result of that story. While the lady might have had the ability to act the way she did, that doesn't mean she's immune to other laws.
You can ignore my point about wasted money all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that going after this guy is a waste of money and someone like you should be appalled by it.
I didn't ignore it, I actually agree with you. I am appalled by the waste of money. A bullet is all it should cost to rid ourselves of this piece of trash. But laws require he get a trial, appeals, etc, and that is very appalling.
StlSluggers wrote:... you need to look a little closer.
Shoot me a PM if you need to because I honestly don't know which story it is you want me to read. There are a bunch of different ones.
And what's up with "safari"? I thought Firefox was what all the cool kids are doing nowadays?