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Re: The Play-Off Thoooouuggghhhttss Thread

Postby thejusman1 » Thu Nov 11, 2010 7:58 pm

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thejusman1 wrote:I bet you're one of those people who think all drugs should be legalized and that drug enforcement is a waste of time and money. The people who are going to use illegal drugs will get them one way or another anyway, right? Why bother making it illegal? What you fail to understand is that the laws of our society are nothing more than a reflection of our majority values, and the majority disagree with you. They think illegal drugs, whether it be PEDs or crack cocaine, foster a bad culture and should not be tolerated or encouraged.


So, I take it, you voted against legalizing Mary Jane in California, no? ;-7

What you don't seem to realize with this particular statement is that society making things "socially unacceptable" is a copout, at times. Chain smoking, while unhealthy and frowned upon by most people is still tolerated under law whereas recreational use of say, marijuana is outlawed (unless for medicinal purposes, of course). Toking up every now and then is not OK, whereas a chosen path to emphysema, lung cancer, and all that is OK. Which causes the greater harm? Interesting, that.

Alright then, carry on.


Marijuana is a completely different animal. Most anyone who goes to college has smoked weed. CA is fighting the good fight trying to get it reclassified. Also, I don't think anyone can say weed is a performance enhancer, unless that performance calls for watching hours of TV/playing halo/eating munchies.
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Re: The Play-Off Thoooouuggghhhttss Thread

Postby Skin Blues » Thu Nov 11, 2010 8:01 pm

Why is performance enhancing a bad thing? Wouldn't pot be even better if it made you run faster and hit baseballs further?
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Re: The Play-Off Thoooouuggghhhttss Thread

Postby GiantsFan14 » Thu Nov 11, 2010 8:01 pm

thejusman1 wrote:i don't care to get involve in the steroid debate, but why should the majority always have the right to persecute the minority? i mean if all you that matters is what the majority thinks is right, then are you ok with how the white majority persecuted blacks throughout history? neither government nor other people should have any say what someone does in the privacy of their own home. as long as what you're doing is not hurting someone else (for example, DUI), then you should have every right to do it. this includes drugs, gay marriage, euthanasia, etc. nobody has to right to tell someone else how they should live their life.


Really? You're going to go there? You're going to link a pro stance on drug enforcement to the persecution of African-Americans? While it's true that you could argue there's a causal relationship between current U.S. Drug Enforcement Law and minority usage of illicit drugs, linking pro drug enforcement and white power is really a stretch. Are you really comparing the constitutional violations of African-American disenfranchisement, discrimination, and segregation to illicit drug use? Really?

I'm a conservative, but even I believe government CAN regulate what you do in the privacy of your own home in certain cases. You are NOT constitutionally entitled to watch child pornography in the comfort of your home, or shoot up drugs for that matter. Society makes laws condemning certain behaviors it deems harmful to society. Illicit drug use is one of them. Does it abridge someone's rights? Maybe. But all personal rights have a limit. You can't yell fire in a crowded theater, you aren't protected from being sued for libel, you can't own certain guns, and you can't do illegal drugs.[/quote]

all i'm saying is that using the majority is right argument doesnt really work as the majority tends to be really stupid and wrong a lot of the time.

lol at comparing child porn to drugs. the fact that watching child porn is illegal has nothing to do with the watching part, and everything to do with how children were exploited to make it. everything you listed that we can't do are things that have an effect on the lives and safety of other people, except for drugs that is.

PS- I have never in my life done any kind of drugs (including marijuana), nor do I plan to. I just don't like being told what to do by people a lot dumber than me.
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Re: The Play-Off Thoooouuggghhhttss Thread

Postby Skin Blues » Thu Nov 11, 2010 8:06 pm

GiantsFan14 wrote:I have never in my life done any kind of drugs (including marijuana), nor do I plan to. I just don't like being told what to do by people a lot dumber than me.

Have you even taken pain killers? Had a beer? If so, then you've done drugs. If you've done those things, but not "illegal" drugs, then you've essentially been told what to do by people a lot dumber than you, although I should qualify that by saying I'm not positive of your intellect.
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Re: The Play-Off Thoooouuggghhhttss Thread

Postby thejusman1 » Thu Nov 11, 2010 8:12 pm

GiantsFan14 wrote:all i'm saying is that using the majority is right argument doesnt really work as the majority tends to be really stupid and wrong a lot of the time.

lol at comparing child porn to drugs. the fact that watching child porn is illegal has nothing to do with the watching part, and everything to do with how children were exploited to make it. everything you listed that we can't do are things that have an effect on the lives and safety of other people, except for drugs that is.

PS- I have never in my life done any kind of drugs (including marijuana), nor do I plan to. I just don't like being told what to do by people a lot dumber than me.


I'm going to have to disagree with you there. Have you heard of the violence in U.S. border towns recently? Places like El Paso, Texas are literally killing grounds with drug cartels and federal/local law officials dying every day (not to mention the innocent civilians getting gunned down). You only have to turn on the local news to witness the effects of drugs on inner-city neighborhoods. And that guy who is coked out and kills a person while driving under the influence? PLEASE don't tell me drug users only harm themselves when that is so patently false.
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Re: The Play-Off Thoooouuggghhhttss Thread

Postby bigh0rt » Thu Nov 11, 2010 8:30 pm

this thread got fun.
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Re: The Play-Off Thoooouuggghhhttss Thread

Postby Art Vandelay » Thu Nov 11, 2010 8:42 pm

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wrveres wrote:thejusman1, the most hypocritical part about your whole "what about the children" diatribe, is that fact that you sport around an avatar that symbolizes, fake boobs, tummy tucks, pig fat injected into the face, and a whole list of other shallow things ... its really cracking me up ...

you were doing better when you accused mweir of rape.


I failed to see the same medical study you did on the connection between plastic surgery and life expectancy. Please enlighten me by providing a link.

Are you joking here? There are tens of thousands of people who have died due to direct complications from plastic surgery. There aren't tens of thousands of people. Or even hundreds of people, who have died from direct complications of steroids.
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Re: The Play-Off Thoooouuggghhhttss Thread

Postby BitterDodgerFan » Thu Nov 11, 2010 8:42 pm

GiantsFan14 wrote:I have never in my life done any kind of drugs (including marijuana), nor do I plan to. I just don't like being told what to do by people a lot dumber than me.

if you've breathed the air in SF, i'm pretty sure you have done marijuana. O:-)
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Re: The Play-Off Thoooouuggghhhttss Thread

Postby The Artful Dodger » Thu Nov 11, 2010 8:48 pm

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thejusman1 wrote:I bet you're one of those people who think all drugs should be legalized and that drug enforcement is a waste of time and money. The people who are going to use illegal drugs will get them one way or another anyway, right? Why bother making it illegal? What you fail to understand is that the laws of our society are nothing more than a reflection of our majority values, and the majority disagree with you. They think illegal drugs, whether it be PEDs or crack cocaine, foster a bad culture and should not be tolerated or encouraged.


So, I take it, you voted against legalizing Mary Jane in California, no? ;-7

What you don't seem to realize with this particular statement is that society making things "socially unacceptable" is a copout, at times. Chain smoking, while unhealthy and frowned upon by most people is still tolerated under law whereas recreational use of say, marijuana is outlawed (unless for medicinal purposes, of course). Toking up every now and then is not OK, whereas a chosen path to emphysema, lung cancer, and all that is OK. Which causes the greater harm? Interesting, that.

Alright then, carry on.


Marijuana is a completely different animal. Most anyone who goes to college has smoked weed. CA is fighting the good fight trying to get it reclassified. Also, I don't think anyone can say weed is a performance enhancer, unless that performance calls for watching hours of TV/playing halo/eating munchies.


Well, the proposition to legalize marijuana was shot down in last week's election. Point is, marijuana still has a "socially unacceptable" tag attached to it in mainstream society. Probably one of the reasons why the prop lost in the first place. Just because something is reputed to be socially unacceptable, doesn't mean outlawing that certain thing in the best interest of society... especially when another substance such as tobacco and alcohol, while enjoyed on a recreational basis by most people, is abused and causes great personal and social harm nonetheless. That's quite a double standard.
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Re: The Play-Off Thoooouuggghhhttss Thread

Postby GiantsFan14 » Thu Nov 11, 2010 8:56 pm

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GiantsFan14 wrote:I have never in my life done any kind of drugs (including marijuana), nor do I plan to. I just don't like being told what to do by people a lot dumber than me.

Have you even taken pain killers? Had a beer? If so, then you've done drugs. If you've done those things, but not "illegal" drugs, then you've essentially been told what to do by people a lot dumber than you, although I should qualify that by saying I'm not positive of your intellect.


i didn't think it was necessary to qualify my statement by saying "illegal drugs", apparently i should have. also, the second part of your statement is completely irrelevant and doesn't respond to any points that i made. i never said i wouldn't allow myself to be told what to do by people dumber than me. in many cases i have no choice unless i want to pay fines or go to prison. still, the fact that i've never done any illegal drugs has nothing to do with me being told i can't, and everything to do with the fact that i've never had any desire to do them.
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