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great gretzky wrote:Question:
If I am getting the perceived "crap half" of the trade, why should I have to divulge my reasons for doing so?
I remember a handful of years ago, someone in one of my leagues traded Sosa, Frank Thomas and Mike Lieberthal for Crawford, Pierre and Podsednick (this was 2003), and people were all kinds of mad. Well, the point is, it got that team into the money, whereas he was treading water otherwise. This was the first year Crawford hit over 50 stolen bases, but people didn't know -- so he was "unproven." Juan Pierre was known by now, but didn't have the stature of Sosa or Big Hurt, and Pods was even more unknown than Crawford.
People RIPPED on it. I did too. And it taught me a very valuable lesson in this game. It isn't our place to judge it/veto. And the worst was, the guy had to publicly explain himself, which of course muted the novelty of his strategy. If it went by undiscussed, it would have flown under the radar and been harder to thwart, as pods and craw were not known for being game changers yet.
shawngee03 wrote:a tricky form of collusion has presented itself in one of my leagues two different times
my cousin isnt the most knowledgable guy...he just enjoys the game aspect...not all the research and time...so he really doenst know his stuff.
which is fine...but the problem is he will only trade w me. his first year....i sent him a few trade offers...and he accepted everytime. awesome...great for me. it was fine until someone pointed out to me that he was only trading w me...not responding to anyone else's requests...bc he trusted me. he wasnt trying to make my team better at his team's expense...he just didnt know better.
so i had to make it a point not to trade w him anymore for the sake of the league's integrity
the same league has one of my good buddies and his cousin.
the first year they made a trade right after the draft...and another one throughout the year. the cousin did not trade anymore. the next year the same thing. then this year the same thing the day after the draft. all the times my buddy getting the better end of the deal by a good margin. nothing that would create a problem normally....but when you realize that the cousin is like my cousin and only trading w his more knoweldgable cousin out of trust...we finally had to veto the trade this year and tell them to deal with someone else or their stuff would keep getting vetoed
so watch out for the unintenional collusion
thedude wrote:Some common indicias of collusion are:
* Trades between friends
* Multiple lopsided trades between two owners (often the most obvious sign)
* Lopsided trade btw commissioner and another team, which the commissioner quickly approves
* Player turning down multiple good trade offers and choosing the worst trade offer
Usually the only time collusion can be defiantly determined just by looking at the trade itself is when a star is traded for someone who is on the DL or is not on a major league roster. Here one star player is involved, so you really need to look at more than the trade itself.
jackie hayes wrote:I was in a league last year where someone wanted to trade Hanley for Carlos Zambrano (straight up). He didn't think Z was better, he was just a Zambrano fan and didn't care about competing in fantasy. It's not collusion, per se, but I'll veto that every time. It takes less than collusion, but more than being lopsided -- if I believe both teams are trying to compete (even if one is going about it in a stupid way), then I won't veto.
Maris09 wrote:But in a redraft league, it's fairly easy to determine if a trade is just A) "Kinda unbalanced," or B) Effecting the competitive balance of the league.
B-Chad wrote:Pedroia's LD rate of 20% is reason to believe he'll maintain a higher BA then Cano. It should also be noted he hits more FB's then Cano, which means that even if he posts a lower HR/FB then Cano, he should come in reasonably close to Cano in HR's
kab21 wrote:We had a trade vetoed last year that featured some obscure MR that got bumped up to the teams closer. But the guy that traded away his new closer didn't know about this and was thrilled to get an offer for mr obscurity. Now I don't care to protect the team not paying attention but in a deep league this pretty much amounts to getting a closer for free. And that can be the difference between 3rd and 1st. so that's getting a veto along with the guy that accepts a proposed trade when he finds out that one of the players that he is trading suffered a bad injury. There is no place for that here.
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