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red wrote:OK, so we have a veto-power debate going on- for the time being it's on the first page if you aren't one of the 8,000 or so people who have looked and added a voice to it. There are also "what should I, what could I, how might I, and am I a jerk to" threads all over this forum-- browse as you feel necessary.
So- perhaps we've discussed in detail what ISN'T fair-- but what's fair? What's a fair deal? And, basically it comes down to this: should owners have the keys to their own cars, or should the commissioners hold the keys?
My opinion, for what it's worth, below:
I agree with what the GREAT ONE has been saying for days: Largely, people have the same ideas of value- therefore first round picks shouldn't go for later round picks before the season starts. That makes sense. Logic.
But how then is a trade fair?
Depth for depth- obviously: I have Soriano and Boone, you have Chavez and Rolen, I give you Boone and something, you give me Chavez and something- Logic.
Injuries: Phil Nevin is my 1b, he's hurt, NOW what?! I consider giving you Jeter for Conine because I'm desperate? That is what happens- but is it fair?
What about "my hunch?" what about somebody who traded for Esteban Loaiza last year? Or traded for Morgan Ensberg? What if the guy giving up Loaiza or Ensberg wouldn't give him up except for a fifth or sixth round pick-- in the end it turns out to be fair- but at the time, it looks terrible... do the commissioners take the keys out of the owners cars? say- hey, that's not backed up by numbers, either historically or this year's draft, therefore it's not fair? but in those cases, they were fair, if only proven later?
If we're too strict (I am a commissioner too), then we restrict the amount of good trades and legitimate fun and excitement that can help make a league enjoyable. If we're not strict enough, someone blasts open the doors to the bar and no one else can catch them.
Is the bottom line just to surround yourself with the best players and leave well enough alone? dont' expect much from a public league? In a private league, especially keeper leagues, these things work out-- guys either get good over time or they drop out...
But I think we'd be wrong to say that this is all about mathematics. Maybe pre-season, pre-injury, it can be about mathematics. But that's a very limited time during the entire fantasy baseball season.
In the end, owners have to have the keys to the car...
red wrote:I agree with what the GREAT ONE has been saying for days: Largely, people have the same ideas of value- therefore first round picks shouldn't go for later round picks before the season starts. That makes sense. Logic.
But look at an example you showed in your own post: Dontrelle Willis for Schilling-- at one point last year, Willis was throwing twice as well as Schilling; I'll raise the stakes, even-- what about Dontrelle Willis for Randy Johnson last year-- when RJ, even after returning, was a shell of himself. By your standards, trade is vetoed; but by "smart fantasy" rules or something-- you're actually protecting the wrong person. The guy with RJ would have been thrilled with that deal last year. (believe me, I had RJ last year-- I hate Willis, but I would have definitely traded him for, say, Bartolo Colon or someone who would have gone noticeably later in the draft).
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