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Postby acsguitar » Fri May 15, 2009 9:16 pm

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Re: Gov't Forces Family to Get Chemo for Son

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Re: Gov't Forces Family to Get Chemo for Son

Postby AussieDodger » Fri May 15, 2009 11:37 pm

You should have to pass a very very basic "moron" test or snip snip you sterile.

Would solve A LOT of problems.

Maybe the question should be "If your kid has cancer do you... A. Ask a fictional character to take the cancer away e.g He-Man or H.R Pufnstuf, B. Get appropriate medical treatment, C. Look on the interwebs.
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Re: Gov't Forces Family to Get Chemo for Son

Postby Neato Torpedo » Sat May 16, 2009 12:16 am

Are we allowed to Google the nearest clinic? :-o
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Re: Gov't Forces Family to Get Chemo for Son

Postby ThatDude » Sat May 16, 2009 2:09 am

Yes.

But going to WebMD doesn't count as seeing a doctor.
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Re: Gov't Forces Family to Get Chemo for Son

Postby Madison » Sat May 16, 2009 4:31 am

Must admit I'm a bit surprised at the reaction against the judge getting involved. Seemed in most threads, the majority of the people are in favor of doing whatever is in the best interest of the child (that's even the argument for those who are against abortion). So to see so many be against saving this kid's life and deciding to let him die (he will die 19 out of 20 times - 5% chance he lives) is quite odd...

Personally, I don't agree with the parents at all, and I support the state getting involved and I support the ruling. Save this kid's life.
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Re: Gov't Forces Family to Get Chemo for Son

Postby urbanbreez » Sat May 16, 2009 4:53 am

You should have to pass a very very basic "moron" test or snip snip you sterile.


Honestly, and as much as I enjoy reading AussieDodger, this ^^^^ sounds a bit like the bad guys in WW2.

If the parents believe in holistic medicine, that is their invariable right to act as such regarding their children. Can you home school your own children? Yes. Does it matter if you're a moron? No. Can you put an infant/toddler in make-up to compete in a beauty pagent? Yes. Does it matter if it's effed up? no. But under no circumstances should the gov't be making those decisions.

This case will be reversed on constitutional rights. Watch.

If a medical professional such as Dr. Kevorkian cant administer his treatments to those wanting them, then a judge can't prescribe medicine to anyone.

And some of you remind me of this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrzMhU_4m-g&feature=related

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Re: Gov't Forces Family to Get Chemo for Son

Postby josebach » Sat May 16, 2009 7:48 am

Madison wrote:Must admit I'm a bit surprised at the reaction against the judge getting involved. Seemed in most threads, the majority of the people are in favor of doing whatever is in the best interest of the child (that's even the argument for those who are against abortion). So to see so many be against saving this kid's life and deciding to let him die (he will die 19 out of 20 times - 5% chance he lives) is quite odd...

Personally, I don't agree with the parents at all, and I support the state getting involved and I support the ruling. Save this kid's life.


True dat. If the statistics quoted are accurate, there's an 85% chance (90% - 5%) the parents' decision will kill the child. I'm not sure how that can't be considered neglect. What if the court does nothing and the kid dies? A lot of the same people who are against the court's ruling would blame the court for not doing something to prevent it. If the law allows the court to intervene, it's the court's responsibility to do it.

Home schooling is a poor example because even though it can screw a kid up, it's not going to kill them.
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Re: Gov't Forces Family to Get Chemo for Son

Postby JTWood » Sat May 16, 2009 9:11 am

josebach wrote:True dat. If the statistics quoted are accurate, there's an 85% chance (90% - 5%) the parents' decision will kill the child. I'm not sure how that can't be considered neglect.

I doubt you'll find any resistance to that argument. I think the fear is that this establishes an unbounded precedent. At what point do you draw the line? 70%? 40%?? 5%??? And who makes the decision on what those odds are not only overall but also on a case-by-case basis? It is entirely foreseeable that parents accused of neglect will have to spend months in court just to argue about the prevailing statistics before there is ever even a hearing on the merits of the case. Who will pay those legal bills?

Additionally, who pays for forced medical treatments? If the state thinks that medical treatment should be forced, does the state have the right to make you spend personal funds on the procedures?

It's not that people don't want what's best for kids. It's that this is a massively gray legal area. This could get very messy.
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Re: Gov't Forces Family to Get Chemo for Son

Postby AussieDodger » Sat May 16, 2009 11:01 am

urbanbreez wrote:
You should have to pass a very very basic "moron" test or snip snip you sterile.


Honestly, and as much as I enjoy reading AussieDodger, this ^^^^ sounds a bit like the bad guys in WW2.

If the parents believe in holistic medicine, that is their invariable right to act as such regarding their children.


When you have people believing that waving a bit of incense around will cure someone else's cancer, that's when you have to step in and do something.
If you have to do that pre-emptive-ly in extreme cases, then oh well that's what it takes. ;-D
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