Protection is basically not getting walked?
Right now since Ethier is 3rd, and Loney is 4th, looks like Ethier could see more walks?
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kickureface wrote:Protection is basically not getting walked?
Right now since Ethier is 3rd, and Loney is 4th, looks like Ethier could see more walks?
Ender wrote:To be fair the 3rd hitter in the lineup gets up with the bases empty more than any other position in the lineup. Out of the top 4 spots in your order it is the worst spot to put your best hitter.
Conventional wisdom on batting order is more or less 100% wrong. You want your best overall hitter batting 2nd, your biggest power guy batting 4th and your 3rd and 4th best hitters batting leadoff and 3rd with the higher OBP guy leading off. Then from 5th on down it is pretty linear though the 9th hitter is more important than the 8th hitter especially for OBP thus the pitcher batting 8th idea.
To use my favorite team as an example the optimal Brewer lineup is probably as follows
Weeks or Hart
Fielder (higher OBP than Braun)
Weeks or Hart
Braun
Hardy or Cameron
Hardy or Cameron
Hall
Pitcher
Kendall
The Brewers have a lot of interchangable parts which confuses things some but Fielder should be batting a lot higher than he is and Braun as a 3rd hitter just wastes a lot of ABs on bases empty.
Are you really saying that the 8th and 9th batters in lineups tend to get on base more than the 1st/2nd guys in lineups
Ender wrote:buffalobillsrul2002 wrote:Are you really saying that the 8th and 9th batters in lineups tend to get on base more than the 1st/2nd guys in lineups
Not sure where you got this from but I most certainly did not mean to say that. I said the 9th hitter is more important than the 8th hitter so you'd rather have your scrappy powerless MI batting 9th and your pitcher 8th.
Ender wrote:To be fair the 3rd hitter in the lineup gets up with the bases empty more than any other position in the lineup.
flloyd wrote:Ender wrote:buffalobillsrul2002 wrote:Are you really saying that the 8th and 9th batters in lineups tend to get on base more than the 1st/2nd guys in lineups
Not sure where you got this from but I most certainly did not mean to say that. I said the 9th hitter is more important than the 8th hitter so you'd rather have your scrappy powerless MI batting 9th and your pitcher 8th.Ender wrote:To be fair the 3rd hitter in the lineup gets up with the bases empty more than any other position in the lineup.
Just to clarify, what The Book says is not that the 3rd batter comes up with the bases empty the most (that would be the leadoff hitter) but that he comes up to bat the most with the bases empty and two outs (which limits his run scoring and producing ability).
markj11 wrote:flloyd wrote:Just to clarify, what The Book says is not that the 3rd batter comes up with the bases empty the most (that would be the leadoff hitter) but that he comes up to bat the most with the bases empty and two outs (which limits his run scoring and producing ability).
That's most likely due to the first inning.
Order PA Empty PA Men on % w/ Men on No Runners
1 3.11 1.72 36% 2.39
2 2.63 2.09 44% 2.77
3 2.38 2.23 48% 3.00
4 2.19 2.31 51% 3.20
5 2.28 2.11 48% 3.10
6 2.29 1.97 46% 2.84
7 2.20 1.94 47% 2.74
8 2.17 1.85 46% 2.61
9 2.13 1.77 45% 2.48
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