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Re: Marmol/Gregg

Postby Maris09 » Thu Feb 26, 2009 1:51 pm

If you get Marmol, it's gonna pay off to grab Gregg with your 2nd to last pick or whatever.
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Re: Marmol/Gregg

Postby Doughhead » Thu Mar 12, 2009 9:32 pm

Any updates in this battle?
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Re: Marmol/Gregg

Postby rookies and cream » Fri Mar 13, 2009 7:24 am

Doughhead wrote:Any updates in this battle?


I don't think so. But I'd be a little more cautious now. Gregg is having a much better spring than Marmol, and if indeed this was a competition (as the Cub's have said), he has to be the frontrunner at this point.
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Re: Marmol/Gregg

Postby Ender » Fri Mar 13, 2009 9:58 am

I'd avoid Gregg, he was abused by the Angels and looks to be breaking down physically some. His K/9 is dropping, he dropped his change up last year and started throwing a lot more sliders which isn't a healthy thing to do at all.

I think Marmol is overrated but he is the better value out of these 2 even if he doesn't end up starting as the closer. Just be ready for an ERA over 3 from him.
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Re: Marmol/Gregg

Postby Urban Cohorts » Fri Mar 13, 2009 12:21 pm

garf112 wrote:he may be more useful elsewhere, but what team actually employs the theory of having a "relief ace?" It is a great idea, but until I see it actually happen...


The only example I can think of is the Angels doing this back in the Percival days. Troy Percival was the closer and Francisco Rodriguez was the setup/relief ace guy. Brought a lot of success to the Angels, even though Rodriguez was a better pitcher than Percival at that point.

As for Marmol vs. Gregg, I ditto a response above: If you draft Marmol, you sure as heck better pick up Gregg too.
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Re: Marmol/Gregg

Postby Scooter1027 » Sat Mar 14, 2009 12:07 am

Ender wrote:I'd avoid Gregg, he was abused by the Angels and looks to be breaking down physically some. His K/9 is dropping, he dropped his change up last year and started throwing a lot more sliders which isn't a healthy thing to do at all.

I think Marmol is overrated but he is the better value out of these 2 even if he doesn't end up starting as the closer. Just be ready for an ERA over 3 from him.


Agreed. I think Marmol is the better choice of the two, but I likely will end up with neither. Marmol's xFIP last year was 3.87, and I'm feeling that his '09 ERA will be closer to that than the 2.68 ERA he put up in '08. That freaky low .185 BABIP can't be sustained, and when you couple his high walk rate with a few more hits dropping in, both the WHIP and ERA will climb. I personally expect something along the lines of what PECOTA has him down for this year, which is a 3.40/1.25 line. Of course, there's nothing too terrible about that, still solid, especially when you consider the Ks he gets you too. But toss in the fact that he's no where near a lock to be the wire-to-wire closer for this team, and I just prefer to take some of the other options out there in his general draft tier (the more sure things like Fuentes, Wood, Cordero, etc).
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Re: Marmol/Gregg

Postby BrooklynBums » Sat Mar 14, 2009 2:05 am

per Rotowire

"Marmol is coming off a terrible loss against the Netherlands which knocked the heavily favored Dominican Republic team out of the WBC. His manager Lou Piniella has already implied that how Marmol bounces back from that will say a lot about whether he has the right mentality to close. If it takes Marmol several outings to get his head on straight after the WBC debacle, there's a good chance Kevin Gregg will open the season as the closer.

As of right now, I'd still say Marmol is the slight favorite, but given the current cost of each player (Marmol is the 10th reliever off the board in Yahoo Leagues, while Gregg is the 40th), Gregg is the better gamble."
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Re: Marmol/Gregg

Postby smoovethug » Sat Mar 14, 2009 2:10 am

Scooter1027 wrote:Agreed. I think Marmol is the better choice of the two, but I likely will end up with neither. Marmol's xFIP last year was 3.87, and I'm feeling that his '09 ERA will be closer to that than the 2.68 ERA he put up in '08. That freaky low .185 BABIP can't be sustained, and when you couple his high walk rate with a few more hits dropping in, both the WHIP and ERA will climb. I personally expect something along the lines of what PECOTA has him down for this year, which is a 3.40/1.25 line. Of course, there's nothing too terrible about that, still solid, especially when you consider the Ks he gets you too. But toss in the fact that he's no where near a lock to be the wire-to-wire closer for this team, and I just prefer to take some of the other options out there in his general draft tier (the more sure things like Fuentes, Wood, Cordero, etc).


Well put. ;-D I've got the same approach as well.
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Re: Marmol/Gregg

Postby aravtrain21 » Sun Mar 22, 2009 10:01 pm

Pinella likes veteran players in crucial roles. Even though Gregg is not your prototypical closer, he has shown that he can adequately get the job done. He hasn't given up a run yet this spring and Marmol has been shaky in a few appearances. If I'm Lou, I go with Gregg...1. previous success in closer's role, 2. I can now use Marmol in different situations to get the ball to Gregg in the 9th (especially when i need a K to get out of a jam). This makes my bullpen much more efficient in closing out games.
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Re: Marmol/Gregg

Postby BitterDodgerFan » Sun Mar 22, 2009 11:50 pm

yup, i see gregg as getting the closer role. this is just like what cleveland did with borowski and betancourt. makes sense, borowski got 40 or so saves i think.
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