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Matthias wrote:Quick caveat: I realized I was looking at total Win Shares and roto doesn't look at defense. If you take out Mauer's defensive contribution, he falls in the list but he's still around top 20. I'm getting all this from The Hardball Times. And yes, there are other players who were high in Win Shares that were not projected high by BP in 2008 (Hamilton, McLouth, Ludwick), but I used Mauer as an example because I don't think his production was really that far off of his norm.
fantasyfiend wrote:Here is the top 15 in PA in 2008:
Jose Reyes 763 PA
Ichiro Suzuki 749 PA
Grady Sizemore 745 PA
David Wright 736 PA
Dustin Pedroia 726 PA
Justin Morneau 712 PA
Michael Young 708 PA
Raul Ibanez 707 PA
Chase Utley 707 PA
Akinori Iwamura 707 PA
Carlos Beltran 706 PA
Josh Hamilton 704 PA
Brian Roberts 704 PA
Adrian Gonzalez 700 PA
Ryan Howard 700 PA
I think there's a nice mixture of lead off hitters and sluggers here. Mostly just good durable hitters (as per the idea behind using it as one of the 5 offensive scoring categories)
fantasyfiend wrote:I dont see the point behind using Win Shares.
I'm not trying to precisely duplicate a players fantasy contribution to "real life", and if I were, Win Shares wouldn't be a metric I'd be looking to use for a benchmark.
fantasyfiend wrote:I want to balance all of the factors into my stat categories.
1. balance that requires speed/power to be accurately weighted. I dont want a lineup of all jason giambi's (he's valuable in real life, but it isn't fun to ignore speedy/toolsy types that are a big part of baseball).
2. i want a lot of the obstacles and challenges major league GMs face (position scarcity: 2B, SS, C, CF) incorporated.
Not really. I don't know everyone's lineup, but I think it goes.....
Pedroia: #2 (although he got shifted to #4 near mid-season)
Utley: #3 with some time at #2
Beltran: primarily #4 with some time at #5
That's slanted to the guys at the top with some names (Young, Iwamura) that you really have to question the value of having a stat that they're in the top 10 in.
You have to consider the scope of marginal contributions. If there's a big bulge of hitters who get around 700 ABs then those marginal ABs provided by the ones at the top are very valuable.
At this point, I think the real answer is that your aim is:
#4: Prove to the Cafe that the 5x5 statistics I came up with are the best and have everyone say so.
You've gotten constructive criticism and suggestions and basically rebuffed every attempt.
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