noseeum wrote:ukrneal wrote:noseeum wrote:
You're talking about a guy who kept playing in the independent leagues after he couldn't get a job at 45 years old.
I've never heard or read anyone saying he didn't try hard. He pissed a lot of people off for various reasons, but I've never once heard that.
Really? He's done it much of his career. Here is an article from when he was released by the Mets: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.h ... A9669C8B63. There are many others.
OK you got me. But keep in mind this is Steve Phillips and Bobby V. Bobby V won't ever let a player up stage him. And Steve Phillips is Steve Phillips.
I think it was more the "second half" comment. How about "last fifth" instead of "second half"?
You don't "not try" your way to that many stolen bases. That takes some work!
I'm sure you can find some reporter or Ted Simmons getting mad about his antics, hot dogging, etc., accusations of him not running out a ground ball and such to first, or watching a homer early in his career, but that's the curse of being a confident/arrogant take no prisoners great baseball player who speaks his mind and happens to be black.
Maybe that's changed, but it certainly hadn't in the 80s. See the love for Paul Molitor, former cokehead and hall of famer, and articles explaining why Tim Raines, former cokehead and non hall of famer, should not get in the hall because he slid head first in order to not break his coke vials. Total double standard.
I wouldn't call it blatant racism, but there's a stereotyping that goes along with Rickey, and clearly Raines with the coke stuff. During the 70s and 80s, when you hear a black player "doesn't respect the game", that always sounded a lot to me like "doesn't know his place."
It may have been closer to fifth than half (I was generalizing anyway), and I agree he did work hard in his career. Just sometimes, he would get all whiny. It's no worse than Manny I guess, and certainly not a reason to keep him from the HOF considering his contributions. It's really the only negative on him I can think of.