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How are these prospects ranked?

Postby Whalewang » Tue Dec 30, 2008 3:44 pm

Is this in the ballpark?

Jhoulys Chacin
Freddie Freeman
Jordan Schafer
Brett Wallace
Yonder Alonso
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Re: How are these prospects ranked?

Postby nate128 » Tue Dec 30, 2008 10:18 pm

Personally.....

Chacin
Alonso
Wallace
Schafer
Freeman

Most people would probably put Alonso first, but I see Chacin as THE most underrated pitching prospect. Think Chien-Ming Wang with way more strikeouts.
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Re: How are these prospects ranked?

Postby kab21 » Tue Dec 30, 2008 10:42 pm

nate128 wrote: Think Chien-Ming Wang with way more strikeouts in COORS.


I fixed that for you. He does have the tools to succeed in Coors but from a fantasy standpoint I'm not even sure that he can overcome Coors (to be a very good starter). Despite being a GB pitcher with a decent K rate. Another factor that isn't considered is how his stuff will be affected by the thin air.

Now his real life value would be quite a bit higher, but I'm looking at fantasy value.
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Re: How are these prospects ranked?

Postby Whalewang » Tue Dec 30, 2008 11:50 pm

kab21 wrote:He does have the tools to succeed in Coors but from a fantasy standpoint I'm not even sure that he can overcome Coors (to be a very good starter). Despite being a GB pitcher with a decent K rate. Another factor that isn't considered is how his stuff will be affected by the thin air.

Now his real life value would be quite a bit higher, but I'm looking at fantasy value.


This forum is "Fantasy Baseball", so I would assume that the prospect list would be geared toward fantasy only. Is that not the assumption?
Personally I'd have difficulty ranking Jhoulys Chacin ahead of most/all of these prospects because of the Coors' effect also. I don't care if his stuff is that good. I need to see one pitching prospect really succeed before I take a chance.
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Re: How are these prospects ranked?

Postby Wheelhouse » Wed Dec 31, 2008 5:56 am

Wallace - dude can rake and will move fast
Alonso - great home park but power ceiling limited
Chacin - love the GB rate, hate coors field
Freeman - could be the best of the bunch in time but years away
Schafer - lacks power to ever be more then a #3 fantasy OF (PED's or not)
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Re: How are these prospects ranked?

Postby kab21 » Wed Dec 31, 2008 12:00 pm

Whalewang wrote:
kab21 wrote:He does have the tools to succeed in Coors but from a fantasy standpoint I'm not even sure that he can overcome Coors (to be a very good starter). Despite being a GB pitcher with a decent K rate. Another factor that isn't considered is how his stuff will be affected by the thin air.

Now his real life value would be quite a bit higher, but I'm looking at fantasy value.


This forum is "Fantasy Baseball", so I would assume that the prospect list would be geared toward fantasy only. Is that not the assumption?
Personally I'd have difficulty ranking Jhoulys Chacin ahead of most/all of these prospects because of the Coors' effect also. I don't care if his stuff is that good. I need to see one pitching prospect really succeed before I take a chance.


That was the point that I was making in my post. Jhoulys is a very good real-life prospect, but not a very good fantasy prospect. And he needs to be ranked here as a fantasy prospect.

As for ranking the 5 I have
Alonso
Wallace
Freeman
Chacin
Schafer - not enough SB potential to make up for mediocre power. Another case of better real life prospect because of his defense.
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Re: How are these prospects ranked?

Postby hybrid » Sat Jan 03, 2009 9:51 pm

Yonder Alonso - advanced & ballpark
Freddie Freeman - quite a bit away, but his 18 year old season was very impressive
Brett Wallace - don't see the same end product that Freeman can be, but is obviously more ready at this point
Jhoulys Chacin - Coors + pitcing prospect = usually don't turn out the best
Jordan Schafer - wasn't sold on him before the drug suspension
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Re: How are these prospects ranked?

Postby J35J » Sun Jan 04, 2009 2:46 pm

hybrid wrote:Yonder Alonso - advanced & ballpark
Freddie Freeman - quite a bit away, but his 18 year old season was very impressive
Brett Wallace - don't see the same end product that Freeman can be, but is obviously more ready at this point
Jhoulys Chacin - Coors + pitcing prospect = usually don't turn out the best
Jordan Schafer - wasn't sold on him before the drug suspension


I like this ranking and the explanations.
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Re: How are these prospects ranked?

Postby cardinal1975 » Sun Jan 04, 2009 5:32 pm

Brett Wallace - looks like he will be at 3B for at least a few years
Yonder Alonso - as good or slightly better hitter than Wallace but can't play anywhere but 1B
Freddie Freeman - great upside as a hitter but still at least two years from the majors
Jordan Schafer - still should be a CF with 15-20 homerun power and 15-20stolen base potential...solid
Jhoulys Chacin - Coors Field(already mentioned), barely six feet tall and not exactly an athlete's build

I give Wallace a bump over Alonso for being probably 3B or OF eligible at least early in his career. Schafer is still a good prospect with a solid bat that can play a gold glove caliber CF.....not an all-star but should be a solid starter and contributer in the big leagues. I tend to favor hitters especially over pitchers with some questions like Chacin. I am just not very high on his long term potential(probably just a #3 or #4 starter in my estimation)....even away from Coors.
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Re: How are these prospects ranked?

Postby Prospect One » Tue Jan 13, 2009 1:29 pm

Whalewang wrote:Is this in the ballpark?

Jhoulys Chacin
Freddie Freeman
Jordan Schafer
Brett Wallace
Yonder Alonso


1)Alonso- Ballpark,along with Phillips,Bruce&Votto in the NL central.
2)Wallace- Advanced hitter along with steady talent around him.
3)Chacin- Young stud. Ubaldo 2.0 but still in CoorsCanaveral launch pad.
4)Schafer- Balco JR should be an advanced Crisp or below Ellsbury.
5)Freeman- Numbers inflated with Heyward hitting with him, not a Lars or Logan.
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