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Re: C.C. for Cy? MVP?

Postby BitterDodgerFan » Mon Sep 29, 2008 12:15 pm

CC for Cy, Manny for MVP. :-D
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Re: C.C. for Cy? MVP?

Postby BronXBombers51 » Mon Sep 29, 2008 12:19 pm

He deserves consideration for neither award, IMO. Yeah, he helped the Brewers, but he pitched half a season for them. His production for their team did not come close to what Lincecum did for the Giants, Santana did for the Mets, etc.

I don't like giving pitchers the MVP anyway, so Sabathia for MVP is even more ridiculous IMO.
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Re: C.C. for Cy? MVP?

Postby DbacksRback » Mon Sep 29, 2008 12:23 pm

Without him there is no way the brewers are even close to where they are now. He should get one of the awards but in my mind he deserves either of them
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Re: C.C. for Cy? MVP?

Postby Yoda » Mon Sep 29, 2008 12:29 pm

DbacksRback wrote:Without him there is no way the brewers are even close to where they are now.


Yes but given the situation, would Lincecum or Santana have been the difference just like CC was? I'd say yes.
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Re: C.C. for Cy? MVP?

Postby BronXBombers51 » Mon Sep 29, 2008 12:31 pm

Yoda wrote:
DbacksRback wrote:Without him there is no way the brewers are even close to where they are now.


Yes but given the situation, would Lincecum or Santana have been the difference just like CC was? I'd say yes.


Exactly. Sabathia didn't have any bigger effect on his team than Santana, Lincecum, Hamels and several others. All those guys contributed much more to their respective teams than Sabathia did to the Brewers. He in no way deserves the Cy Young, and certainly does not deserve the NL MVP.
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Re: C.C. for Cy? MVP?

Postby noseeum » Mon Sep 29, 2008 12:47 pm

DbacksRback wrote:Without him there is no way the brewers are even close to where they are now. He should get one of the awards but in my mind he deserves either of them


Without the 49-40 record the Brewers had BEFORE Sabathia showed up, they wouldn't be close to where they are either. They went from a .551 winning percentage to a .556 winning percentage. Sure he did great, but he doesn't deserve either of these awards.
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Re: C.C. for Cy? MVP?

Postby HOOTIE » Mon Sep 29, 2008 9:44 pm

Braun is the Brewers MVP. How did CC help Milwaukee April-June when Braun was?

RJ with Houston was much better then CC in 98. RJ finished 7th in CY, 21st in MVP.

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Re: C.C. for Cy? MVP?

Postby BritSox » Mon Sep 29, 2008 9:47 pm

HOOTIE wrote:Braun is the Brewers MVP. How did CC help Milwaukee April-June when Braun was?

RJ with Houston was much better then CC in 98. RJ finished 7th in CY, 21st in MVP.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/j/johnsra05.shtml


Well, to be fair, CC was 17 at the time.
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Re: C.C. for Cy? MVP?

Postby Neato Torpedo » Tue Sep 30, 2008 12:18 am

noseeum wrote:
DbacksRback wrote:Without the 49-40 record the Brewers had BEFORE Sabathia showed up, they wouldn't be close to where they are either. They went from a .551 winning percentage to a .556 winning percentage.

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