SpecialFNK wrote:again were back to supporting cast. why is it that the other Phillies get credit, but theres no credit to the other Cardinals hitters? did Ludwicks numbers do nothing in helping St.louis win?
Obviously St. Louis had other players that contributed to the Cardinals' 86 wins. But they weren't as good as Philadelphia's. That's why Philly won 90+ games and are in the playoffs. I showed you that Philly scored 80+ more runs than St. Louis this year. I showed you the comparison between players like Utley/Rollins/Burrell and Ludwick/Glaus/Ankiel.
The mere fact that we're talking about supporting cast AT ALL is ridiculous. Supporting cast should have no influence on who the MVP is. Howard had a better supporting cast than Pujols, got into the playoffs, and thus is the MVP? This is your argument. I couldn't disagree more. Taking each player and removing outside elements, Pujols is far and away the better player. Pujols is the best player in baseball. Pujols is the MVP.
im not sure exactly how to word this, but wheather its fair or unfair, for the MVP it has always meant more for players on playoff teams than non playoff teams. thats why it almost always goes to a player on a playoff team.
We all know this. I'm not debating whether or not the system is like this. I'm arguing that the system SHOULDN'T be like this.
there is evidence to suggest that Ramirez 2 months in LA did help more than Pujols 6 months in St.Louis. St.louis didnt make the playoffs. where were the Dodgers when they acquired Ramirez? not in 1st, and the Dodgers didnt have much of an offence this season before Manny arrived. Manny in LA made the difference in them passing the DBacks.
Manny's 2 months were more valuable than Pujols' 6 months because LA made the playoffs? Really? If that's the argument you're attempting to make, we better cut it off right here. The fact that the Dodgers wouldn't have been in first without Ramirez is irrelevant. The Dodgers record is irrelevant. Playoff births are irrelevant. Even if you wanted to make the case that they were relevant...St. Louis won more games than the Dodgers. The Dodgers made the playoffs on a technicality. Beyond that, though, even if the Cardinals finished in last place, Pujols contributed MANY more wins to St. Louis than Ramirez could have possibly hoped to do in 2 months in LA.