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great gretzky wrote:Um no they are not legal. They legal for doctors to prescribe for legitimate medical reasons, NOT for performance enhancement. They are a controlled substance. Morphine is "legal" in that sense, but you or I could not be found in possesion of it. They are only legal for those who have a legitimate prescription for them, not for baseball players to go to questionable sources to obtain them for muscle building purposes. They are not over the counter medication, thus anywone who posseses them without a prescription is in violation of the law, thus it is illegal activity.
Cigarettes, however are legal for any individual over 18 to purchase. Major difference there.
great gretzky wrote: And lets also admit that drug testing in many workplaces has been upheld in more than one case.
One is also illegal by major league baseball standards. A right to privacy would not exist in an investigation for gambling. In some instances, it is legal to posses pot. That does not mean that it is legal. It just means that in some instances its illegal nature is waived.
It by the way is not "an invasion of an employees rights" many corporations ahve drug testing for their employees. A right to privacy does not give you any protection for hiding illegal activity OR activity that the employer has a legitmate reason for barring said activity from their employee - like alcohol abuse for a school bus driver etc. It isn't jsut that they are investigating stuff that is harmful to their health either. The substance being tested also does a harm to the game. That twin problem of steroids is the real issue.
KULCAT wrote:How about dope, speed and crack cocaine? I mean, hey its their private life right? If it harms the game and i think it does then its MLB´s bussiness i cant believe anyone would defend stereoid use. Especially Gene Orza/Kent
GotowarMissAgnes wrote:KULCAT wrote:How about dope, speed and crack cocaine? I mean, hey its their private life right? If it harms the game and i think it does then its MLB´s bussiness i cant believe anyone would defend stereoid use. Especially Gene Orza/Kent
No one is defending steroid use. Orza is defending the privacy rights of players, many of whom do not use steroids or anything else.
What the hell do you guys expect? If an employer walks into an office and demands that an employee pee in a cup because "Drug use is bad for his business", you want the employee to drop and pee? What kind of union would simply cave and agree to this (well, one with no members, that's for sure)
Have you ever read the constitution? We are talking about blanket, random, unreasonable searches. Yes, damn it, IT IS YOUR PRIVATE LIFE. It's hard to believe that Americans would agree in such sheep-like fashion to surrender a privacy right that took many, many years and lives to secure.
LBJackal wrote:I didn't read the whole article, bt I'm also pretty sure that cigarettes are worse than steroids, if steroids are used properly. I'm not condoning it, saying it's OK for baseball, saying we should test, or saying it's an invasion of provacy. Just pointing out that smoking cigarettes WILL kill yuo if you never quit, but steroids won't neccesarily kill you if you don't go overboard on them. Shrink your balls? Yes. Cause other problems with your health? Yes. But most likely they won't kill you.
They should go out and make steroids illegal in baseball, and then they can test without worries (maybe that was part of the CBA, I'm not sure, but if not, they should implement it). I don't think anybody here has a problem with them testing for steroids if they're a banned substance.
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